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We can define <noun2> which ends with one kind of vowel (let's say e) and define new kinds of affixes (<sg2-2> for example) that only follows the second kind of nouns. would it be a solution for harmonization? There're are not so much type of vowels when it comes to harmonization. Let's say bira is a type 1 noun |
We can define <noun2> which ends with one kind of vowel (let's say e) and define new kinds of affixes (<sg2-2> for example) that only follows the second kind of nouns. would it be a solution for harmonization? There're are not so much type of vowels when it comes to harmonization. Let's say bira is a type 1 noun |
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| − | biralarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> |
+ | *biralarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> |
| − | and ev is the second type |
+ | *and ev is the second type |
| − | evlerim=<noun-2><pl-2><sg-2> |
+ | *evlerim=<noun-2><pl-2><sg-2> |
| − | There are 8 vowels and only two kinds of plural makers in Turkish so it would be |
+ | *There are 8 vowels and only two kinds of plural makers in Turkish so it would be |
| − | for a,ı,o and u (so called tight vowels) |
+ | *for a,ı,o and u (so called tight vowels) |
| − | stems: bira, koro, kız, muz |
+ | *stems: bira, koro, kız, muz |
| − | biralarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my beers) |
+ | *biralarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my beers) |
| − | korolarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my choirs) |
+ | *korolarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my choirs) |
| − | kızlarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my daughters) |
+ | *kızlarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my daughters) |
| − | muzlarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my bananas) |
+ | *muzlarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my bananas) |
for e,i,ö, and ü (so called "tin" vowels) |
for e,i,ö, and ü (so called "tin" vowels) |
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| − | stems: ev, kedi, göz, düş |
+ | *stems: ev, kedi, göz, düş |
| − | evlerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1> |
+ | *evlerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1> |
| − | kedilerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1> |
+ | *kedilerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1> |
| − | gözlerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1> |
+ | *gözlerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1> |
| − | düşlerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1> |
+ | *düşlerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1> |
if the last vowel of the stem is a it will always be type 1 vowel, and the following affixes will always be type 1 and the same logic for the second type of nouns. Just in the xml file, we will define the word as noun-1 or noun-2 not only single identifier "<n>". I think this solution will require only a few more definitions or paradigms. --[[User:Msalperen|Msalperen]] 21:17, 18 August 2007 (BST) |
if the last vowel of the stem is a it will always be type 1 vowel, and the following affixes will always be type 1 and the same logic for the second type of nouns. Just in the xml file, we will define the word as noun-1 or noun-2 not only single identifier "<n>". I think this solution will require only a few more definitions or paradigms. --[[User:Msalperen|Msalperen]] 21:17, 18 August 2007 (BST) |
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Revision as of 20:29, 18 August 2007
I think we will need new definitions for the five mentioned cases of turkish nouns
- tocase or tcase for short
- fromcase or fcase for short
- incase or icase for short
- thatcase or thcase for short
- purecase or pcase for short
Comparative Resources
A Comparison of Modern Azeri With By Kurtulush Oztopchu – Berkeley/UCLA
http://azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/13_folder/13_articles/kurtulush_azeri_turkish_13.pdf
Dictionary of the Turkic Languages:
Example for Noun cases:
http://www.ingilish.com/turkishnouncase.htm
The posession phrase part of this page also has some extra information with genitive and comitative forms http://www.ingilish.com/turkishpasttense.htm
Comitative Case The comitative case also should be modelled. Because it also goes inflected with the noun.--Msalperen 10:16, 18 August 2007 (BST)
Harmonization Issue
We can define <noun2> which ends with one kind of vowel (let's say e) and define new kinds of affixes (<sg2-2> for example) that only follows the second kind of nouns. would it be a solution for harmonization? There're are not so much type of vowels when it comes to harmonization. Let's say bira is a type 1 noun
- biralarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1>
- and ev is the second type
- evlerim=<noun-2><pl-2><sg-2>
- There are 8 vowels and only two kinds of plural makers in Turkish so it would be
- for a,ı,o and u (so called tight vowels)
- stems: bira, koro, kız, muz
- biralarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my beers)
- korolarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my choirs)
- kızlarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my daughters)
- muzlarım = <noun-1><pl-1><sg1> (my bananas)
for e,i,ö, and ü (so called "tin" vowels)
- stems: ev, kedi, göz, düş
- evlerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1>
- kedilerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1>
- gözlerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1>
- düşlerim = <noun-2><pl-2><pp-1>
if the last vowel of the stem is a it will always be type 1 vowel, and the following affixes will always be type 1 and the same logic for the second type of nouns. Just in the xml file, we will define the word as noun-1 or noun-2 not only single identifier "<n>". I think this solution will require only a few more definitions or paradigms. --Msalperen 21:17, 18 August 2007 (BST)
