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== Заметки ==
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===Турецско-чувашский===
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-DAKI -> -ри, -чи
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-kI -> -хи
   
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глагол + mi + лицо -> глагол + лицо + и
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tr Hava bugün çok güzel, yeterince sıcak.
  
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tr-cv Ҫанталӑк паян питӗ хитре, ҫитӗ шӑрӑх.
  
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cv Паян лайӑх ҫанталӑк, питӗ ӑшӑ.
  
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ru Погода сегодня хорошая, очень тепло.
  
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en The weather is nice today, it is very warm.
  
   
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tr Ahmet'in küçük bir köpeği var, şu anda köpek de bahçede.
  
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tr-cv Ахметăн пӗчӗк пӗр йытӑ пур, ҫак вăхăтра анчӑк та пахчара.
  
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cv Ванӑн пӗчӗк йытӑ пур, йытӑ та халӗ пахчара.
  
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ru У Вани есть маленькая собачка, она тоже сейчас в саду.
  
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en James has a small dog, the dog is also in the garden now.
  
   
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tr Ana'nın de köpeği var mı?
  
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tr-cv Аньăн та йытӑ пур-и?
 
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cv Машӑн йытӑ пур-и?
  
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ru А есть ли у Маши собака?
  
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en Does Mary also have a dog?
  
   
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* sor (preguntar) +DAT → ыйт (спрашивать) +ABL
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tr Anneleri kediyle birlikte evde, pencereden bakıyor ve Ahmet ve Ana'yı oynarken seyrediyor.
  
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tr-cv Амăшĕ кушакпа пӗрле ҫуртра, чӳречерен пӑхать тата Ахмет тата Ана #выля<v><tv><pres><p3><sg> #ӗ<pred><rel> @seyret<v><tv><pres><p3><sg>.
  
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cv Вӗсен амӑшӗ кушакпа пӗрле пӳртре, вӑл чӳречерен пӑхать те Ванӑпа Машӑн вылянине сӑнать.
  
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ru Их мама внутри дома с кошкой, она смотрит в окно и видит играющих Ваню и Машу.
  
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en Their mother is inside the house with the cat, she looks through the window and sees James and Mary playing.
  
   
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===Чувашско-турецский===
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tr Ahmet çabukça eski büyük bir ağaca koşuyor, arkasına Ana'dan saklanıyor.
  
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tr-cv Ахмет хăвăрт ҫӗрӗк пысăк аслă йывӑҫ патне чупать, Аньăран пытанать.
  
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cv Ваня хӑвӑрт кӑна пысӑк йывӑҫ патне чупать, унӑн хыҫне Машӑран пытанать.
  
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ru Ваня быстро бежит к большому дереву, он прячется от Маши.
  
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en James quickly runs to a big old tree, he is hiding from Mary.
  
   
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tr Ana oturuyor ve elleri gözlerinin önünde.
  
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-ха -> 0
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tr-cv Ана ларать те аллисем куҫӗ умĕнче.
  
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терминатив (-шӐн) -> ?
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cv Маша ларать те куҫӗсене аллипе хуплать.
  
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ru Маша сидит и закрывает глаза руками.
  
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en Mary is sitting and has her hands in front of her eyes
  
   
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==То, чего требует Ионаѳан ==
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tr Bu bir oyun.
 
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tr-cv Ку вӑйӑ.
  
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cv Ку вӑйӑ.
  
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ru Это игра.
  
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en It is a game.
  
   
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* Agreement (discussions) on what part of the morphophonology goes where
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tr Masanın ve sandalyelerin altına bakıyor, fakat Ahmet orada yok.
  
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* Access to the same corpus as is otherwise being used for evaluation
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tr-cv Сӗтелӗн тата пукансен айне пӑхать, анчах Ахмет унта ҫук.
  
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* Correct paradigms on the wiki
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cv Сӗтелӗн тата пуканӑн айне пӑхса илет, анчах Ваня ниҫта та ҫук.
  
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* Someone to put up full paradigms of nouns I dig up, potentially from books
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ru Она заглядывает под стол и под стулья, но Вани нигде нет.
  
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* When there's a problem with phonology, a yaml file that shows:
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en She looks under the table and under the chairs, but James is not there.
  
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** Forms that work as expected
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*** another word(s) in same part of paradigm
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*** same word in another part(s) of paradigm
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** Forms that don't work as expected
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** This should be a separate yaml file for each individual phonological problem (or best guess thereat)
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* A list of the yaml files on the wiki
   
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===List of questions for Haval's camp===
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tr Bu Ahmet olabilir mi?
  
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* ger14??
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tr-cv Ку Ахмет пулаять-и?
 
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cv Тен, ку Ваня?
  
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ru Может быть это Ваня?
  
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en Could that be James?
 
   
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tr Yine bir ses var!
  
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tr-cv Каллех сасă пур!
  
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cv Сас каллех илтӗнет!
 
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ru Звук повторяется снова!
  
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en There is the sound again!
  
   
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* Nouns
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tr Sonra küçük bir el de görünüyor.
  
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** "Chuvash" words
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tr-cv Вара пӗчӗк алă та курӑнать.
  
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*** пуртӑ/тенкӗ - удвоение лишь после рт?
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cv Кӑштах тӑрсан, вӑл пӗчӗк алӑ курать.
  
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*** пару падеж 2-мӗш сапӑт: тус(у)на (p. 83)
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ru Затем она видит маленькую руку.
  
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*** пару падеж 3-мӗш сапӑт: тус (p. 83) - 2 формы???
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en Then she also sees a little hand.
  
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*** List of irregular words
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**** ҫын
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**** атте, анне, пичче, etc.
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** "Russian" words
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*** музей/Алексей (p. 80): error in Алексей nominative?
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*** Баку (p. 81): this happens only to "Russian" words? To all of the ones finishing in -у?
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*** аллея/Ксения (p. 82): почему различаются?
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*** Иван = Иванов? Иванова = Ивановна? (declension, morphology)
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*** Are there "Russian" words ending with unstressed vowel other than -а (литература) or -е (училище): -и, -о, -у, -ы? Which is their declension?
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*** Russian words without сингармонизм (кролик, p. 80) or with optional one (музей) or with compulsory on (училище, p. 82). In this second case, which is the preferable?
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**Categorisation
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*** %<n%>%<advf%>:%{Ӑ%}н K ; ! FIXME - только отдельные слова!!!
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*** %<n%>%<presn%>:%{dup%}л%{Ӑ%} A-ЙЫВӐР ; ! FIXME - в конкретных существительных не возможно comp
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** Bidix
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*** <l>драмӑллӑ<s n="adj"/> = <l>драмa<s n="n"/><s n="presn"/>?
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*** Other possible errors of this kind in the bidix?
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* Adjectives
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** Are there "Russian" adjectives? Do they have any especial behaviour?
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** Categorisation
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***A1: ! adjectives that can be both substantivised and adverbialised;<br>! all three readings (<adj>, <adj.subst> and <adj.advl>) have comparison levels.
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***A2: ! (derived/not fully lexicalised) adjectives without adverbial reading;<br>! <adj> and <adj.subst> readings have comparison levels.
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***A3: ! (derived/not fully lexicalised) adjectives without adverbial reading,<br>! so-called "predicatives" (бар, жоқ);<br>! no comparison levels at all.
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***A4: ! "pure" adjectives - no adverbial and substantive readings,<br>! no comparison levels;
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***Different possible comparison suffixes: can we have a general default type? And for some typical endings, as -лӑ, -(ил)лӗ, -ла?
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* Adverbs
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** Are there "Russian" adjectives? Do they have any especial behaviour?
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** Adverbs don't have comparison?
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* Verbs
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** Are there "Russian" verbs? Do they have any especial behaviour?
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** All verbs can have all the gerunds, participles, etc.
   
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</pre>
  
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* Translations
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** dramatik tiyatro = драмӑллӑ театр/драм театрӗ?
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* Cal explicar-li a l'Oksana com crear fitxers yaml per posar al·lòfons de morfemes
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** I també a fer svn add fitxer!
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* Llista de paraules per afegir
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** Noms
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***<s> юман (Андреев)</s>
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***<s> металл</s>
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***<s> кролик (p. 80)</s>
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***<s> музей (p. 80)</s>
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***<s> тенкӗ (p. 81)</s>
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***<s> Баку (p. 81)</s>
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***<s> Порту</s>
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***<s> хӑю</s>
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***<s> аллея (p. 82)</s>
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***<s> стихия [Ксения (p. 82)]</s>
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***<s> няня (p. 82)</s>
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***<s> Саша</s>
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***<s> училище (p. 82)</s>
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***<s> платье (p. 82)</s>
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***<s> Золотницкий (p. 83)</s>
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***<s> Ивановская (p. 83)</s>
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***<s> Иванова (p. 83)</s>
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***<s> автобус (p. 83)</s>
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** Verbs
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* Afegir llista temàtica de yaml + wiki per explicar-ho
   
 
==См. также==
  
==См. также==

Latest revision as of 16:08, 15 July 2012

Заметки[edit]

Турецско-чувашский[edit]

-DAKI -> -ри, -чи
-kI -> -хи

глагол + mi + лицо -> глагол + лицо + и
Valency
  • sor (preguntar) +DAT → ыйт (спрашивать) +ABL

Чувашско-турецский[edit]

-ха -> 0
терминатив (-шӐн) -> ?

То, чего требует Ионаѳан[edit]

  • Agreement (discussions) on what part of the morphophonology goes where
  • Access to the same corpus as is otherwise being used for evaluation
  • Correct paradigms on the wiki
  • Someone to put up full paradigms of nouns I dig up, potentially from books
  • When there's a problem with phonology, a yaml file that shows:
    • Forms that work as expected
      • another word(s) in same part of paradigm
      • same word in another part(s) of paradigm
    • Forms that don't work as expected
    • This should be a separate yaml file for each individual phonological problem (or best guess thereat)
  • A list of the yaml files on the wiki

List of questions for Haval's camp[edit]

  • ger14??


  • Nouns
    • "Chuvash" words
      • пуртӑ/тенкӗ - удвоение лишь после рт?
      • пару падеж 2-мӗш сапӑт: тус(у)на (p. 83)
      • пару падеж 3-мӗш сапӑт: тус (p. 83) - 2 формы???
      • List of irregular words
        • ҫын
        • атте, анне, пичче, etc.
    • "Russian" words
      • музей/Алексей (p. 80): error in Алексей nominative?
      • Баку (p. 81): this happens only to "Russian" words? To all of the ones finishing in -у?
      • аллея/Ксения (p. 82): почему различаются?
      • Иван = Иванов? Иванова = Ивановна? (declension, morphology)
      • Are there "Russian" words ending with unstressed vowel other than -а (литература) or -е (училище): -и, -о, -у, -ы? Which is their declension?
      • Russian words without сингармонизм (кролик, p. 80) or with optional one (музей) or with compulsory on (училище, p. 82). In this second case, which is the preferable?
    • Categorisation
      •  %<n%>%<advf%>:%{Ӑ%}н K ; ! FIXME - только отдельные слова!!!
      •  %<n%>%<presn%>:%{dup%}л%{Ӑ%} A-ЙЫВӐР ; ! FIXME - в конкретных существительных не возможно comp
    • Bidix
      • <l>драмӑллӑ = <l>драмa?
      • Other possible errors of this kind in the bidix?
  • Adjectives
    • Are there "Russian" adjectives? Do they have any especial behaviour?
    • Categorisation
      • A1: ! adjectives that can be both substantivised and adverbialised;
        ! all three readings (<adj>, <adj.subst> and <adj.advl>) have comparison levels.
      • A2: ! (derived/not fully lexicalised) adjectives without adverbial reading;
        ! <adj> and <adj.subst> readings have comparison levels.
      • A3: ! (derived/not fully lexicalised) adjectives without adverbial reading,
        ! so-called "predicatives" (бар, жоқ);
        ! no comparison levels at all.
      • A4: ! "pure" adjectives - no adverbial and substantive readings,
        ! no comparison levels;
      • Different possible comparison suffixes: can we have a general default type? And for some typical endings, as -лӑ, -(ил)лӗ, -ла?
  • Adverbs
    • Are there "Russian" adjectives? Do they have any especial behaviour?
    • Adverbs don't have comparison?
  • Verbs
    • Are there "Russian" verbs? Do they have any especial behaviour?
    • All verbs can have all the gerunds, participles, etc.


  • Translations
    • dramatik tiyatro = драмӑллӑ театр/драм театрӗ?


  • Cal explicar-li a l'Oksana com crear fitxers yaml per posar al·lòfons de morfemes
    • I també a fer svn add fitxer!


  • Llista de paraules per afegir
    • Noms
      • юман (Андреев)
      • металл
      • кролик (p. 80)
      • музей (p. 80)
      • тенкӗ (p. 81)
      • Баку (p. 81)
      • Порту
      • хӑю
      • аллея (p. 82)
      • стихия [Ксения (p. 82)]
      • няня (p. 82)
      • Саша
      • училище (p. 82)
      • платье (p. 82)
      • Золотницкий (p. 83)
      • Ивановская (p. 83)
      • Иванова (p. 83)
      • автобус (p. 83)
    • Verbs
  • Afegir llista temàtica de yaml + wiki per explicar-ho

См. также[edit]

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