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Francis Tyers: /* (1.3.32) Subordinate "bod + pr" should not apply to inflected forms */
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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">(1.3.32) Subordinate "bod + pr" should not apply to inflected forms</span></span></p>
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Francis Tyers: /* (1.3.18) "i gyd" */
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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">(1.3.18) "i gyd"</span></span></p>
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Francis Tyers: /* (1.3.36) Preverbal particles - affirmative */
2008-07-24T13:22:02Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">(1.3.36) Preverbal particles - affirmative</span></span></p>
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Francis Tyers: /* (1.3.32) Subordinate "bod + pr" should not apply to inflected forms */
2008-07-24T12:37:36Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">(1.3.32) Subordinate "bod + pr" should not apply to inflected forms</span></span></p>
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Francis Tyers: /* (1.3.32) Subordinate "bod + pr" should not apply to inflected forms */
2008-07-17T09:35:06Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">(1.3.32) Subordinate "bod + pr" should not apply to inflected forms</span></span></p>
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Francis Tyers: /* (1.3.18) "i gyd" */
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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">(1.3.18) "i gyd"</span></span></p>
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Francis Tyers: /* =(1.3.39) Periphrastic tenses with "bod" */
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Francis Tyers: /* (1.3.38) Fragility of "bod + noun" (1.3.15) */
2008-07-17T07:45:50Z
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Francis Tyers: /* (1.3.32) Subordinate "bod + pr" should not apply to inflected forms */
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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">(1.3.32) Subordinate "bod + pr" should not apply to inflected forms</span></span></p>
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