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In Hungarian a word has usually 2500 forms. |
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Therefore a Hungarian dictionary with all forms would contain 1 million * 2500 words, |
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that is 2.5 GWords, approx 20 GBytes, that can not be handled by computers |
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and handling it would make no sense. |
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Yes, hunspell handles that perfectly, it also handles vowel harmony. |
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What about Apertum to handle Hungarian? [[User:Muki987|Muki987]] 10:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:I've played about with [[hunmorph]] — one of its limitations iirc is that it cannot do generation, only analysis. My personal preference for handling languages like Hungarian and Finnish etc. is to use something like [[SFST]] (see also [[Omorfi]]). The problem of course is then to get someone to write the actual code. - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 12:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC) |
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In Hungarian there is simply too much to generate. Not sure with Finnish&Turkish&Basque&Persian, but they also have a lot. I give you an example: |
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* ház (house) |
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* házhoz to the .. |
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* háztól from the.. |
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* házig up to.. |
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* háznak of the.. |
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* háznál at the |
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* házba into.. |
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* házban in the... |
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* házból from the... |
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* házról about ... |
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* házra on top of the... |
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* házon on the .... |
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* házzá become a ... |
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* házat it (accusativ) - 14 |
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* házam (my house - repeat all previous to this like:) -- 28 |
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** házamhoz ... |
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... |
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** házamat ... |
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* házad (your house repeat all previous to this) -42 |
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* háza (his, her, its house repeat all previous to this) - 56 |
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* házunk (our house repeat all previous to this) -- 70 |
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* házatok (your house repeat all previous to this) - 84 |
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* házuk (their house repeat all previous to this) - 98 |
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* házé (of the house repeat all previous to this) - 112 |
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* házamé (of my house -repeat all previous to this) - 126 |
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... |
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* házuké (of their house -repeat all previous to this) - 210 |
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* házak (plural - repeat all previous for this up to here) 420 |
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... |
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* házacska ( a little house - repeat all prevoius up to here) 840 |
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* házikó ( a little house- repeat all prevoius, except last) 1260 |
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* házas (married- repeat all previous for this up to here, except the last 2) 1680 |
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... |
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* you can see, it is almost trivial to get thousands of words just without a grammar book for each substantive. |
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In my opinion if we get a word, házaitokétól, (which is not unusual) we need an analysis tool, that shows: |
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* házaitokétól (from something of your houses) |
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* this is from ház |
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* it is plural |
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* it suits to the prefix "from" |
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* it suits to "plural you" |
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* the houses own something |
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* the owned thing is singular (otherwise it would be házaitokéitól) |
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With this knowledge we can construct the English (or Spanish, German, etc...) form. [[User:Muki987|Muki987]] 20:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC) |
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==Omorfi== |
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http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/cgi-bin/omor/omorfi-cgi-demo.py |
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Omorfi - Demo of Finnish Morphology |
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These demos are based on the HFST implementation of Finnish morphology using SFST , and Nykysuomen sanalista . A guesser is used for missing words. For more information see HFST home page |
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Wordform Nykysuomen has no known analyses. The 6 best baseform and paradigm guesses were chosen: |
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*1. Nykysuomen 32 noun sg nom |
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*2. Nykysuomi 7 noun sg acc |
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*3. Nykysuomi 7 noun sg gen |
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*4. Nykysuomi 7 noun sg ins |
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*5. Nykysuomi 25 noun sg acc |
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*6. Nykysuomi 25 noun sg gen |
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As far as I can see here: http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Omorfi |
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$ echo "kaikki ihmiset syntyvät vapaina ja tasavertaisina arvoltaan ja oikeuksiltaan." | fst-proc omorfi/src/omorfi.sfstc |
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^kaikki/kaikki<noun><7><a><sg><nom>$ ^ihmiset/ihminen<noun><38><pl><acc>/ihminen<noun><38><pl><nom>$ |
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^syntyvät/syntyä<verb><52><j><act><pcpva><pl><acc>/syntyä<verb><52><j><act><pcpva><pl><nom>/syntyä<verb><52><j><act><indv><pres><pl3>$ |
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^vapaina/vapaa<noun><17><pl><ess>$ ^ja/*ja$ ^tasavertaisina/*tasavertaisina$ ^arvoltaan/arvo<noun><1><sg><abl><pl3>/arvo<noun><1><sg><abl><sg3>$ ^ja/*ja$ |
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^oikeuksiltaan/oikeus<noun><40><pl><abl><pl3>/oikeus<noun><40><pl><abl><sg3>$. |
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Omorfi also analyses and that's it. I do not see any difference to hunmorph, do you? [[User:Muki987|Muki987]] 21:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC) |
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==Hunmorph== |
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echo "ablakot" | ocamorph --aff lexicons/morphdb.hu/out/morphdb_hu.aff --dic lexicons/morphdb.hu/out/morphdb_hu.dic |
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and you get |
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> ablakot ablak/NOUN> |
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This is pretty much the same IMHO, what Omorfi produces. What so you think? [[User:Muki987|Muki987]] 21:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC) |
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