User:Firespeaker/Templatic bidix - Revision history

Firespeaker: /* Test cases */

2013-03-14T18:29:43Z

Test cases

Firespeaker: /* GSoC task */

2013-03-13T17:46:04Z

GSoC task

Firespeaker: GSoC task

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GSoC task

Firespeaker: /* mappings needed */

2013-03-13T17:19:59Z

mappings needed

Francis Tyers at 23:56, 11 February 2013

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Firespeaker at 19:02, 11 February 2013

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Firespeaker: /* mappings needed */

2013-02-11T18:58:27Z

mappings needed

Firespeaker: /* a long example */

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a long example

Firespeaker: Created page with 'I have this idea that I think would make translations better (via more explicit mappings between languages as well as arbitrary structure mapping) and development easier. This w…'

2013-02-11T18:42:27Z

Created page with 'I have this idea that I think would make translations better (via more explicit mappings between languages as well as arbitrary structure mapping) and development easier. This w…'

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I have this idea that I think would make translations better (via more explicit mappings between languages as well as arbitrary structure mapping) and development easier. This would work by offloading disambiguation and "syntax" to bidix via bidix accepting "translation templates" instead of "words".

This would create a few issues:
* The user would then have to know the languages in depth to even really ''being'' working on a bidix. But isn't this already the ideal case?

== Test cases ==
English/Turkic translations mostly

=== a long example ===



* Хип-хоптун алгачкы хореографы, америкалык өнөрпоз жергиликтүү бийчилер менен жолугушуп, хип-хоп аркылуу ич ара араздашууну жөнгө салуу тажрыйбасын көрсөтүп, маданияттын бул түрү аркылуу жаштарды туура жолго салып, ак жолтой келечек курса болот деген көз карашын жайылтууда.
* The first hip-hop choreographer, an American specialist, met with local dancers, presented his experience in settling internal disagreements through hip-hop, and advanced his stance that through this sort of culture you can set youth on the right path and built a bright future.

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 * {{highlight|ич ара = ...}}
 * {{highlight|араздашууну жөнгө салуу тажрыйбасын көрсөтүп, маданияттын бул түрү аркылуу жаштарды туура жолго салып, ак жолтой келечек курса болот деген көз карашын жайылтууда.}}
+=== an English example ===
+* {{test|eng|He gets really angry when the person he's talking with starts throwing all his stuff out of the window|Аны менен сүйлөшүп жаткан киши буюмдарын терезеге таштай баштаганда жини жаман келет}}
 == GSoC task ==

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 == GSoC task ==
 Templatic bidix (Hard)
-=== How? ===
+=== How? (required skills) ===
 Python, XML, C++
-=== What? ===
+=== What? (description) ===
 Design a format similar to [[bidix]] (declarative XML establishing language 1 <> language 2 correspondences) that allows the use of templates, as well as the back-end to process it (i.e., it should compile into an FST).  It should deal with '''discontiguous multiwords''' and '''complex multiwords''', allowing them to be easily translated, and should provide some mechanism (some sort of ranking) to deal with multiple matching sets of templates for a given translation (similar to [[CG]]).  It should essentially allow one to bypass [[transfer]] rules and [[constraint grammar|disambiguation]] and produce similar (if not better) accuracy in translation.
 === Why? (rationale) ===
 A templatic bidix forces the designer of a language pair to be more explicit, and also consolidates pair development.  Furthermore, there are several types of phenomenon such a system could deal with that are currently highly problematic.
 === Who? (mentors) ===
 [[User:Firespeaker|Jonathan]]

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 * {{highlight|ич ара = ...}}
 * {{highlight|араздашууну жөнгө салуу тажрыйбасын көрсөтүп, маданияттын бул түрү аркылуу жаштарды туура жолго салып, ак жолтой келечек курса болот деген көз карашын жайылтууда.}}
+== GSoC task ==
+Templatic bidix (Hard)
+=== How? ===
+Python, XML, C++
+=== What? ===
+Design a format similar to [[bidix]] (declarative XML establishing language 1 <> language 2 correspondences) that allows the use of templates, as well as the back-end to process it (i.e., it should compile into an FST).  It should deal with '''discontiguous multiwords''' and '''complex multiwords''', allowing them to be easily translated, and should provide some mechanism (some sort of ranking) to deal with multiple matching sets of templates for a given translation (similar to [[CG]]).  It should essentially allow one to bypass [[transfer]] rules and [[constraint grammar|disambiguation]] and produce similar (if not better) accuracy in translation.
+=== Why? (rationale) ===
+A templatic bidix forces the designer of a language pair to be more explicit, and also consolidates pair development.  Furthermore, there are several types of phenomenon such a system could deal with that are currently highly problematic.
+=== Who? (mentors) ===
+[[User:Firespeaker|Jonathan]]

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 * [1 {{tag|n}}] аркылуу{{tag|post}} = via{{tag|prep}} [1]{{tag|n}}
 ** [1 {{tag|n}}] аркылуу{{tag|post}} = through{{tag|prep}} [1]{{tag|n}}
-* {{highlight|ич ара = ...
+* {{highlight|ич ара = ...}}
-* араздашууну жөнгө салуу тажрыйбасын көрсөтүп, маданияттын бул түрү аркылуу жаштарды туура жолго салып, ак жолтой келечек курса болот деген көз карашын жайылтууда.}}
+* {{highlight|араздашууну жөнгө салуу тажрыйбасын көрсөтүп, маданияттын бул түрү аркылуу жаштарды туура жолго салып, ак жолтой келечек курса болот деген көз карашын жайылтууда.}}

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 * Addition to / rewrite of bidix (maybe best to fork it and release it as something different)
 * Some way to deal with ranking of preference between different possible mappings
+** Tokenisation / longest-match
 == Test cases ==

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 * Хип-хоптун алгачкы хореографы, америкалык өнөрпоз жергиликтүү бийчилер менен жолугушуп, хип-хоп аркылуу ич ара араздашууну жөнгө салуу тажрыйбасын көрсөтүп, маданияттын бул түрү аркылуу жаштарды туура жолго салып, ак жолтой келечек курса болот деген көз карашын жайылтууда.
 * The first hip-hop choreographer, an American specialist, met with local dancers, presented his experience in settling internal disagreements through hip-hop, and advanced his stance that through this sort of culture you can set youth on the right path and built a bright future.
+==== mappings needed ====
+* [1]{{tag|n}}{{tag|gen}} [2]{{tag|det}} [3]{{tag|n}}{{tag|px3sp}} = the [2]{{tag|det}} [1]{{tag|n}} [3]{{tag|n}}
+* хип-хоп{{tag|n}} = hip-hop{{tag|n}}
+* алгачкы{{tag|det}} = first{{tag|det}}
+* хореограф{{tag|n}} = choreographer{{tag|n}}
+* америкалык{{tag|adj}} = American{{tag|adj}}
+* өнөрпоз{{tag|n}} = specialist{{tag|n}}
+** {{highlight|... өнөрпоз{{tag|n}} = expert{{tag|n}} on{{tag|prep}} ...}}
+* жергиликтүү{{tag|adj}} = local{{tag|adj}}
+* бийчи{{tag|n}} = dancer{{tag|n}}
+* {{tag|pl}} = {{tag|pl}} (a fall-back default?)
+* ( [1 {{tag|n}}|({{tag|np}}.*)] ~ [2 {{tag|n}}|({{tag|np}}.*)] менен ) жолук{{tag|v}}{{tag|coop}}[3 _tags_] = [1] meet{{tag|v}}[3] with{{tag|prep}} [2]
+* {{highlight|{{tag|gna_??}} = ...}}
+* [1 {{tag|n}}] аркылуу{{tag|post}} = via{{tag|prep}} [1]{{tag|n}}
+** [1 {{tag|n}}] аркылуу{{tag|post}} = through{{tag|prep}} [1]{{tag|n}}
+* {{highlihgt|ич ара = ...
+* араздашууну жөнгө салуу тажрыйбасын көрсөтүп, маданияттын бул түрү аркылуу жаштарды туура жолго салып, ак жолтой келечек курса болот деген көз карашын жайылтууда.}}