User:Capsot/Proposal oci-fra/fra-oci Translator - Revision history

Capsot: /* Why Google and Apertium should sponsor it? A description of how and who it will benefit in society */

2018-03-26T20:05:31Z

Why Google and Apertium should sponsor it? A description of how and who it will benefit in society

Capsot: /* Why Google and Apertium should sponsor it? A description of how and who it will benefit in society */

2018-03-26T20:04:58Z

Why Google and Apertium should sponsor it? A description of how and who it will benefit in society

Capsot: /* Which of the published tasks are you interested in? What do you plan to do? */

2018-03-26T20:03:53Z

Which of the published tasks are you interested in? What do you plan to do?

Capsot: /* Which of the published tasks are you interested in? What do you plan to do? */

2018-03-26T20:02:52Z

Which of the published tasks are you interested in? What do you plan to do?

Capsot: /* Work schedule */

2018-03-26T19:36:23Z

Work schedule

Capsot: /* Why is it that you are interested in Apertium? */

2018-03-25T22:31:41Z

Why is it that you are interested in Apertium?

Capsot: /* Why is it you are interested in machine translation? */

2018-03-25T22:30:39Z

Why is it you are interested in machine translation?

Capsot at 22:29, 25 March 2018

2018-03-25T22:29:23Z

Capsot: /* Work plan */

2018-03-25T22:09:04Z

Work plan

Capsot: /* Work plan */

2018-03-25T22:08:12Z

Work plan

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 In spite of its brilliant past, Occitan cruelly lacks the means to help foster its transmission and preservation. Bilingual dictionaries are few and mainly address French-Occitan/Occitan-French translation. So far, there is no real encyclopaedia in Occitan. The only realization closest to such a project is the Wikipedia
-However, so far, the Occitan Wikipedia has not been able to attract or retain potential editors and has even met with many technical issues that have hampered its growth. Having tools that could help translate contents from the other Wikipedias would certainly bring much improvement, many changes and encourage people to contribute and create more articles.
+However, so far the Occitan Wikipedia has not been able to attract, or retain, potential editors and has even met with many technical issues that have hampered its growth. Having tools that could help translate contents from the other Wikipedias would certainly bring much improvement, many changes and encourage people to contribute and create more articles.
 The elaboration of the Apertium automatic translations towards Catalan and Spanish can be seen as the first step in this opening of Occitan to other languages and cultures and now the second phase of the divulgation, internationalization, and let’s hope revival, of the language of the Troubadors could be expanded with Google and Apertium’s help.

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 Since the beginning of the 20th century it has suffered a heavy loss of locutors and it is, nowadays, hardly understood by the vast majority of the inhabitants of its native area, since the estimated number of speakers is currently way under 1 million people.
-In spite of its brilliant past, Occitan cruelly lacks the means to help foster its transmission and preservation. Bilingual dictionaries are few and mainly address French-Occitan/Occitan-French translation. So far, there is no real encyclopaedia in the Occitan language. The only realization closer to such a project is the Wikipedia
+In spite of its brilliant past, Occitan cruelly lacks the means to help foster its transmission and preservation. Bilingual dictionaries are few and mainly address French-Occitan/Occitan-French translation. So far, there is no real encyclopaedia in Occitan. The only realization closest to such a project is the Wikipedia
 However, so far, the Occitan Wikipedia has not been able to attract or retain potential editors and has even met with many technical issues that have hampered its growth. Having tools that could help translate contents from the other Wikipedias would certainly bring much improvement, many changes and encourage people to contribute and create more articles.
 The elaboration of the Apertium automatic translations towards Catalan and Spanish can be seen as the first step in this opening of Occitan to other languages and cultures and now the second phase of the divulgation, internationalization, and let’s hope revival, of the language of the Troubadors could be expanded with Google and Apertium’s help.
 === Non-Summer-of-Code plans you have for the Summer ===

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 My chief priority will be translating from French to Occitan in order to allow the production of texts in Occitan.
-Regarding the vocabulary size, the bilingual dictionary currently has about 5700 entries, probably extracted after crossing Apertium dictionaries. The Wiktionnaire possesses some thousands translations from French to Occitan. They generally are in standard Occitan, nonetheless it is essential to review each and every translation. Even in such a case, it will faster than a personal translation. The next step will be translating on my own words taken from a list of missing items classified according to a decreasing order of frequency (firstly in the French to Occitan direction and afterwards from Occitan to French with a second list).
+Regarding the vocabulary size, the bilingual dictionary currently has about 5700 entries, probably extracted after crossing Apertium dictionaries. The Wiktionnaire possesses some thousands translations from French to Occitan. They generally are in standard Occitan, nonetheless it is essential to review each and every translation. Even in such a case, it will prove faster than a personal translation. The next step will be translating on my own words taken from a list of missing items classified according to a decreasing order of frequency (firstly in the French to Occitan direction and afterwards from Occitan to French with a second list).
 === Why Google and Apertium should sponsor it? A description of how and who it will benefit in society ===

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 My chief priority will be translating from French to Occitan in order to allow the production of texts in Occitan.
-Regarding the vocabulary size, the bilingual dictionary currently has about 5700 entries, probably extracted after crossing Apertium dictionaries. The Wiktionnaire possesses some thousands translations from French to Occitan. They generally are in standard Occitan, nonetheless it is essential to review each and every translation. Even in such a case, it will faster than a personal translation. Later, the next step will to translate on my own words taken from a list of missing items classified according to a decreasing order of frequency (firstly in the French to Occitan direction and afterwards from Occitan to French with a second list).
+Regarding the vocabulary size, the bilingual dictionary currently has about 5700 entries, probably extracted after crossing Apertium dictionaries. The Wiktionnaire possesses some thousands translations from French to Occitan. They generally are in standard Occitan, nonetheless it is essential to review each and every translation. Even in such a case, it will faster than a personal translation. The next step will be translating on my own words taken from a list of missing items classified according to a decreasing order of frequency (firstly in the French to Occitan direction and afterwards from Occitan to French with a second list).
 === Why Google and Apertium should sponsor it? A description of how and who it will benefit in society ===
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 === Non-Summer-of-Code plans you have for the Summer ===
 I will be completely available during summertime since my vacations begin on July 8th and can work on the project more than 30 hours a week if necessary. Even though I will be working in June and early July, my rather light work schedule will allow me to work between 25 and 30 hours a week on the translating project. I also plan to work before, just to make sure the schedule is respected.
 == Work schedule ==

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 | 4      || 4 junh&mdash;10 junh || Adding words<br/>Transfer rules fra > oci ||  ~16,000       ||  ~89.0%  ||         ||
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-| 5     || <b>11 junh&mdash;15 junh<br>Deliverable #1: <br>French to Occitan translator</b> || Adding words<br/>Transfer rules fra > oci ||  <b>~18,000</b>       ||  <b>~89.5%</b>  ||  <b>~25%</b>   ||
+| 5     || <b>11 junh&mdash;17 junh<br>Deliverable #1: <br>French to Occitan translator</b> || Adding words<br/>Transfer rules fra > oci ||  <b>~18,000</b>       ||  <b>~89.5%</b>  ||  <b>~25%</b>   ||
 |-
 | 6    || 18 junh&mdash;24 junh || Adding words<br/>Transfer rules fra > oci<br/>Begin testvoc fra > oci ||  ~20,000       ||  ~90.0%  ||         ||  pr, cnj*, adv, prn, det
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 | 8  || 2 julhet&mdash;8 julhet || Adding words<br/>Transfer rules fra > oci<br/>Testvoc fra > oci ||  ~22,000       ||  ~91.0%  ||         ||  adj
 |-
-| 9  || <b>9 julhet&mdash;13 julhet<br>Deliverable #2:<br> French to Occitan translator</b> || Transfer rules fra > oci<br/>Testvoc fra > oci ||  <b>~22,000</b>     ||  <b>~91.0%</b>  ||  <b>~15%</b>   ||  n
+| 9  || <b>9 julhet&mdash;15 julhet<br>Deliverable #2:<br> French to Occitan translator</b> || Transfer rules fra > oci<br/>Testvoc fra > oci ||  <b>~22,000</b>     ||  <b>~91.0%</b>  ||  <b>~15%</b>   ||  n
 |-
 | 0  || <b>occitan > français</b> ||  ||    ~22,000       ||          ||         ||
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 | 10   || 16 julhet&mdash;22 julhet || Adding  missing words in decreasing order of frequency oci > fra<br/>Transfer rules oci > fra<br/>Testvoc oci > fra ||   ~22,500      ||  ~88.0%  ||       || pr, cnj*, adv, prn, det
 |-
-| 13   || 23 julhet&mdash;29 julhet || Adding words<br/>Transfer rules oci > fra <br/>Testvoc oci > fra ||   ~23,000      ||  ~89.0%   ||       || n, adj
+| 11   || 23 julhet&mdash;29 julhet || Adding words<br/>Transfer rules oci > fra <br/>Testvoc oci > fra ||   ~23,000      ||  ~89.0%   ||       || n, adj
 |-
-| 11    || 30 julhet&mdash;5 agost || Adding words<br/>Transfer rules oci > fra <br/>Testvoc oci > fra ||   ~23,500      ||  ~90.0% ||         || vblex
+| 12    || 30 julhet&mdash;5 agost || Adding words<br/>Transfer rules oci > fra <br/>Testvoc oci > fra ||   ~23,500      ||  ~90.0% ||         || vblex
 |-
-| 12*   || 6 agost&mdash;9 agost || Final improvements ||         ||    ||     ||
+| 13*   || 6 agost&mdash;9 agost || Final improvements ||         ||    ||     ||
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-| 12**   || <b>10 agost&mdash;14 agost<br>Deliverable #3:<br> Occitan to French translator</b> || Final evalution|| <b>~23,500</b>  || <b>~90.0%</b> ||  <b>~30%</b>   ||             ||
+| 13**   || <b>10 agost&mdash;14 agost<br>Deliverable #3:<br> Occitan to French translator</b> || Final evalution|| <b>~23,500</b>  || <b>~90.0%</b> ||  <b>~30%</b>   ||             ||
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 == Why is it that you are interested in Apertium? ==
-I have known the Apertium translation project many years ago while collaborating as a linguist to the first Occitan translating tools in the Val d’Aran which was working on an Occitan translator using two linguistic varieties (a standard  Occitan and an Aranese one). The Apertium community seems to already have many good translating tools; people there share genuine interest towards any languages, and treat every one of these as equal, without any real hierarchy whether dominant or minoritized, which I particularly appreciate. Then the collaborative atmosphere is really pleasant; many people have helped me with the technical issues quickly and kindly.
+I have known the Apertium translation project many years ago while collaborating as a linguist to the first Occitan translating tools in the Val d’Aran, which was working then on an Occitan translator using two linguistic varieties (a standard Occitan and an Aranese one). The Apertium community seems to already have many good translating tools; people there share genuine interest towards any languages, and treat every one of these as equal, without any real hierarchy whether dominant or minoritized, which I particularly appreciate. Then the collaborative atmosphere is really pleasant; many people have helped me with the technical issues quickly and kindly.
 I hope I can contribute and enrich the projects of the Apertium community with my knowledge and command of languages.

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 == Why is it you are interested in machine translation? ==
-I have been a Wikipedia editor (mainly on the Occitan and Catalan versions) for a long time and witnessed how machine translation can help expand their content in the Catalan Viquipèdia, which has very good translating tools. Automated translation can thus provide a helpful hand in acquiring articles from other Wikipedias and prove to be an amazing gain of time and energies for small communities like the Occitan one.
+I have been a Wikipedia editor (mainly on the Occitan and Catalan versions) for a long time and witnessed how machine translation can help expand their content in the Catalan Viquipèdia, which has very good translating tools. Automated translation can thus provide a helpful hand in acquiring articles from other Wikipedias and proves to be an amazing gain of time and energies for small communities like the Occitan one.
 == Why is it that you are interested in Apertium? ==

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 <b>Location:</b> Millars (Northern Catalonia), France <br/>
+<b>IRC:</b> capsot<br/>
 <b>E-mail:</b> ratapenada@yahoo.com <br/>

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-== Work plan ==
+== Work schedule ==
 *Note: The French → Occitan part of the project is the main direction.
 *<small>Nòta: La part francés → occitan del projècte es la direccion principala.</small>
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 * Create a list of pending tests
+=== Work plan ===
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 ! Setmana !! Datas                !!  Descripcion !!  Bidix<br/>(sens np)<br/>previst !!(%) Cobertura<br/>prevista !! (%) WER<br/>previst !! Testvoc  `

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 *<small>Nòta: La part francés → occitan del projècte es la direccion principala.</small>
 *<small>Note : La partie français → occitan du projet est la direction principale.</small>
+=== Community bonding period (and before) ===
+* Improve my knowledge and understanding of Apertium (chiefly the lexical selection and transfer rules).
+* Think about ways to improve the monolingual dictionary so it can be efficient in its translations to standard Occitan, and at the same time flexible enough to accept dialectal variation.
+* Create a list of pending tests
 {|class=wikitable