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Ilnar.salimzyan: /* Resources */

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Ilnar.salimzyan at 10:32, 26 June 2014

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Ilnar.salimzyan at 23:21, 23 April 2012

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Francis Tyers at 01:08, 10 April 2012

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Francis Tyers: /* Hierarchy */

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Francis Tyers: /* Hierarchy */

2012-03-10T22:25:14Z

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Firespeaker: /* Наречии */

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Firespeaker: /* Наречии */

2012-02-26T19:40:26Z

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Firespeaker: /* Hierarchy */ integrating in part of earlier discussion

2012-02-26T19:37:42Z

Hierarchy: integrating in part of earlier discussion

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			[http://ekitap.kulturturizm.gov.tr/TR,78479/turkiye-disindaki-turk-edebiyatlari-antolojisi.html Turkic-Turkish texts].

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 Following is a mail to the Corpora list. Might be a good idea to have a 'Resources' page/section for Turkic languages, as it is done on language pages.
+<pre>
 Message: 6
 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:54:04 +0200
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 All the best,
 Christian
+</pre>

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 * tag/morpheme reordering should be done by transfer, such as Turkish->Chuvash negative imperative, Chuvash->Turkish possessives.
 * what about different spacing, do you ever get >1 space, or nbsp or formatting between e.g. келген and эмеспи ? -- or anything that isn't a single ascii space ?
+== Resources ==
+Following is a mail to the Corpora list. Might be a good idea to have a 'Resources' page/section for Turkic languages, as it is done on language pages.
+Message: 6
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:54:04 +0200
+From: "Christian Chiarcos" <christian.chiarcos@web.de>
+Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] Turkic dictionaries
+To: "corpora@uib.no" <corpora@uib.no>
+Dear all,
+I would like to thank everyone who responded to my request and who helped
+me in personal conversation, in particular, Emily Bender, Jost Gippert,
+Max Ionov, Irina Nevskaya, Monika Rind-Pawlowski, Vit Suchomel, Francis
+Tyers, and Mardan Wushouer. Please find a summary, with URLs, brief
+description and licensing information below (no particular order):
+(A) Dictionaries/Wordlists in machine-readable formats
+(A.1) Gilles Sérasset's DBnary
+http://kaiko.getalp.org/about-dbnary/
+machine-readable (RDF) dictionaries generated from Wiktionary, incl.
+Turkish
+CC-BY-SA
+(A.2) Mardan Wushouer's wordlists
+http://www.ai.soc.i.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~mardan/resource/Chinese_Uyghur_Bilingual_Dictionary_v1.zip
+http://www.ai.soc.i.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~mardan/resource/Chinese_Kazakh_Bilingual_Dictionary_v1.zip
+http://www.ai.soc.i.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~mardan/resource/Uyghur_Kazakh_Bilingual_Dictionary_v1.zip
+plain word lists for Chinese-Uyghur, Chinese-Kazakh, Uyghur-Kazakh
+CC-BY-NC
+(A.3) Altaic etymological dictionary
+http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/bdescr.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\alt\turcet
+includes 26 Turkic languages, available online and as DBase dump
+copyright restricted
+(A.4) Freelang
+http://freelang.net
+English (and partially, French) word lists for 28 Turkic languages (mostly
+small), proprietary list format
+freeware (i.e., no modification)
+(A.5) Apertium Turkic
+http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Turkic_languages#Pairs
+word lists for Turkic-Azeri, Kazakh-Tatar, 12 more pairs of Turkic
+languages under development
+open source (hosted at Sourceforge)
+(A.6) RELISH
+http://tla.mpi.nl/relish/
+lexicons for Chalkan and Tuva, provided by the RELISH project
+available online, XML
+licensing to be clarified
+(A.7) PanLex
+http://panlex.org
+huge collection of word lists in a unified representation (SQL, RDF)
+incl. Azeri, Gagauz, Kazakh, Kirgiz, Turkish, Turkmen, Uzbek, etc.
+different (mostly open) licenses depending on the original source
+(A.8) Intercontinental Dictionary Series
+http://lingweb.eva.mpg.de/ids/, http://datahub.io/de/dataset/ids
+word lists of minimal core vocabulary
+Azeri, Kumyk, Nogai, Terekeme (Azerbaijan dialect)
+plain text or RDF
+CC-BY-NC-ND
+(B) Human-readable dictionaries/wordlists that can be easily converted
+into machine-readable formats
+(B.1) Wiktionary, various languages (see A.1)
+http://wiktionary.org
+incl. Azeri, Kazakh, Kirgiz, Tatar, Turkish, Turkmen
+CC-BY-SA
+(B.2) Chalkan dictionary
+http://sprachen.sprachsignale.de/tschalkanisch/tschalkanisch.html
+German
+available for academic use, with attribution, non-commercial
+(B.3) Shorica
+http://shoriya.ngpi.rdtc.ru/
+Shor dictionary and corpus
+copyright to be clarified, currently offline (last accessed mid-May 2014)
+(B.4) Karachay-Balkar dictionary
+http://www.elbrusoid.org/dictionary/
+Karachay-Balkar - Russian dictionary
+copyright restricted
+(B.5) Tatar dictionary
+http://tatar.com.ru/dict/dict.php
+Tatar-Russian dictionary
+copyright restricted
+(B.6) Khakassian dictionary
+http://khakas.altaica.ru/dictionary/
+Khakas - English and Khakas - Russian
+copyright restricted
+(C) other resources
+(C.1) Altaica
+http://altaica.narod.ru/e_v-turks.htm
+link and resource collection, includes machine-readable and human-readable
+dictionaries for 17 Turkic languages (not replicated above)
+(C.2) Pre-Islamic Old Turkic Texts (VATEC)
+http://vatec2.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/
+glossed corpus (XML) from which a German-Old Turkic word list can be
+compiled
+copyright restricted
+(C.3) Glosbe
+http://glosbe.com
+online access to word lists and translation memories
+Azeri, Karachay-Balkar, Kazakh, Tatar, Turkish, Turkmen, Uzbek, etc.
+free online API (with severe capacity limits)
+Certainly, this list is not exhaustive, so if you feel something important
+is missing or incorrect, please let me know ;)
+All the best,
+Christian

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 * noun (default 'subst') + DECL-NOUN
-*:noun->adj = n.attr + DECL-ADJ
+*:noun->adj = n.attr + DECL-ADJ           !! No <comp>arison levels though
 *adj (default 'attr') + DECL-ADJ

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 ^Evlerimizdeymişler/Ev<n><pl><px1pl><loc>+i<cop><evid><p3><pl>$
 </pre>
+==Compound tenses==
+Things to think about:
+* analysis length:
+** <code>^келген эмеспи/кел<v><iv><neg><past><p3><pl>+бы<qst>/кел<v><iv><neg><past><p3><sg>+бы<qst>/кел<vaux><neg><past><p3><pl>+бы<qst>/кел<vaux><neg><past><p3><sg>+бы<qst>$</code>, vs.
+** <code>^келген/кел<v><iv><past>/кел<vaux><past>$ ^эмеспи/эмес<neg><p3><sg>+бы<qst>/эмес<neg><p3><pl>+бы<qst>$</code>
+* tag/morpheme reordering should be done by transfer, such as Turkish->Chuvash negative imperative, Chuvash->Turkish possessives.
+* what about different spacing, do you ever get >1 space, or nbsp or formatting between e.g. келген and эмеспи ? -- or anything that isn't a single ascii space ?

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 *: v->adj = v.glp + DECL-ADJ
 *: v->adv = v.prc + DECL-ADV
+Types of non-finite verbal forms:
+* Adverbial participle: {{tag|gnL}} (e.g. {{tag|gnc}} "Conditional adverbial participle")
+* Verbal adjectives: {{tag|gpL}} (e.g. {{tag|gpi}} "Imperfect verbal adjective")
+* Gerunds: {{tag|gerN}} (e.g. {{tag|ger1}} "Past/present gerund")
+* Participles: {{tag|prcN}} (e.g. {{tag|prc1}} "Realis participle")
 ====What about 'cop' and 'pred'====

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 *:  num->noun = num.subst + DECL-NOUN
-*pron (default 'subst') + DECL-NOUN
+*prn (default 'subst') + DECL-NOUN
 *det (default 'attr') + NO-DECL

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 : I think you want both of these as <adv>.  Historically it's something like "şu emdi<n??>" and "şu emdilerde/emdi<n??><pl><loc>", but for our purposes this is irrelevant.  —[[User:Firespeaker|Firespeaker]] 19:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
+:: More to the point, this isn't any sort of productive process we're seeing here; my point is that it's an isolated ''productive-looking'' form because of its unique history. —[[User:Firespeaker|Firespeaker]] 19:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 ====Имема существительные====

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  şimde            'now'                şimde<adv>
- şimdelerde       'nowadays'
+ şimdelerde       'nowadays'           şimdelerde<adv>
+: I think you want both of these as <adv>.  Historically it's something like "şu emdi<n??>" and "şu emdilerde/emdi<n??><pl><loc>", but for our purposes this is irrelevant.  —[[User:Firespeaker|Firespeaker]] 19:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 ====Имема существительные====

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 *v
 *: v->noun = v.ger + DECL-NOUN
-*: v->adj = v.prc + DECL-ADJ
+*: v->adj = v.glp + DECL-ADJ
-*: v->adv = v.prc.adv + DECL-ADV
+*: v->adv = v.prc + DECL-ADV
 ====What about 'cop' and 'pred'====