Talk:Apertium New Language Pair HOWTO - Revision history

Rcrowther: /* Modes */

2017-04-27T16:12:55Z

Modes

2017-04-27T16:11:52Z

Modes: new section

2012-08-17T19:04:43Z

the '@' sign

2012-08-17T16:48:09Z

The 'number' var is not used

2012-08-17T11:50:43Z

the '@' sign: new section

2012-08-17T11:48:01Z

The 'number' var is not used: new section

2010-02-23T11:38:10Z

faking the tagger (gawk vs wget)

2010-02-23T11:37:34Z

faking the tagger (gawk vs wget): new section

2009-05-02T10:57:46Z

Documentation ideas

2009-05-02T09:49:25Z

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	== Modes ==		== Modes ==

	Given this is a key wikipage, it ought to mention them. Or maybe now be rewritten to use them, and introduce the direct use of the tools as a gentle suggestion?		Given this is a key wikipage, it ought to mention them. Or maybe now be rewritten to use them, and introduce the direct use of the tools as a gentle suggestion? Big job, though.

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 :I added a comment :) - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 19:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
+== Modes ==
+Given this is a key wikipage, it ought to mention them. Or maybe now be rewritten to use them, and introduce the direct use of the tools as a gentle suggestion?

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	The '@' sign in the output is never explained. And according to this page, [[Apertium stream format]], it means that there is an untranslated lemma. But that doesn't seem to be the case in any example... --[[User:Grégoire\|Grégoire]] 11:50, 17 August 2012 (UTC)		The '@' sign in the output is never explained. And according to this page, [[Apertium stream format]], it means that there is an untranslated lemma. But that doesn't seem to be the case in any example... --[[User:Grégoire\|Grégoire]] 11:50, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

			:I added a comment :) - [[User:Francis Tyers\|Francis Tyers]] 19:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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 The global variable 'number' defined in the transfer rule file doesn't seem to be useful for this tutorial.
 --[[User:Grégoire|Grégoire]] 11:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
+:The DTD requires the section "section-def-vars", which is why it is included. Perhaps a note could be put in a comment ''unused'' ? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 16:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 == the '@' sign ==

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 The global variable 'number' defined in the transfer rule file doesn't seem to be useful for this tutorial.
 --[[User:Grégoire|Grégoire]] 11:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
+== the '@' sign ==
+The '@' sign in the output is never explained. And according to this page, [[Apertium stream format]], it means that there is an untranslated lemma. But that doesn't seem to be the case in any example... --[[User:Grégoire|Grégoire]] 11:50, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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  $ echo "gramofoni" | lt-proc sh-en.automorf.bin | apertium-tagger -p sh-en.prob
+== The 'number' var is not used ==
+The global variable 'number' defined in the transfer rule file doesn't seem to be useful for this tutorial.
+--[[User:Grégoire|Grégoire]] 11:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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	We don't have a POS tagger yet, but we can yank one from another language pair for now, it'll perform badly but we can make our own tagger later. First do		We don't have a POS tagger yet, but we can yank one from another language pair for now. It'll perform badly but we can make our own tagger later. First do

	$ wget http://apertium.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/apertium/trunk/apertium-en-es/en-es.prob -O sh-en.prob		$ wget http://apertium.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/apertium/trunk/apertium-en-es/en-es.prob -O sh-en.prob

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 ::side can be "tl" (target language) or "sl" (source language), pos = position, so if you have a rule which matches 4 lexical units, pos="1" will be the first, pos="2" will be the second etc. - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 10:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
+== faking the tagger (gawk vs wget) ==
+Little suggestion: the gawk script in the Transfer part looks confusing, and newbies won't ever use it again once they have a tagger. How about instead saying
+We don't have a POS tagger yet, but we can yank one from another language pair for now, it'll perform badly but we can make our own tagger later. First do
+ $ wget http://apertium.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/apertium/trunk/apertium-en-es/en-es.prob -O sh-en.prob
+(alternatively, follow that link and save the file as "sh-en.prob" in your working folder). You can try the tagger with the following command:
+ $ echo "gramofoni" | lt-proc sh-en.automorf.bin | apertium-tagger -p sh-en.prob

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	:As usual. One can not understand everything immediately. I think, the description is very helpful, at least it helped me a lot. Without it one is completely lost. No practice, no sense, at least for me. Is pos always "1" and side always "tl"? if yes, what is their purpose? [[User:Muki987\|Muki987]] 09:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC)		:As usual. One can not understand everything immediately. I think, the description is very helpful, at least it helped me a lot. Without it one is completely lost. No practice, no sense, at least for me. Is pos always "1" and side always "tl"? if yes, what is their purpose? [[User:Muki987\|Muki987]] 09:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

			::side can be "tl" (target language) or "sl" (source language), pos = position, so if you have a rule which matches 4 lexical units, pos="1" will be the first, pos="2" will be the second etc. - [[User:Francis Tyers\|Francis Tyers]] 10:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

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 :sloppiness on my side. If all data+build script is available for the user, this kind of errors disappear. [[User:Muki987|Muki987]] 19:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
+==Documentation ideas==
 :::How about if I just put a pointer to the talk page for copies of the "complete" files? It's just that I think a step-by-step approach really can help people get a grip on the format... or I wouldn't have done it like this :s  - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 21:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 ::::That's fine. Also a bit more explanation about what does <clip> do would be good. What does after <clip  pos="1"  side="tl" part="whatever" mean? I still do not understand that 100%. [[User:Muki987|Muki987]] 20:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
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 It is basically for extracting _parts_ of the information out of the lexical unit. - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 21:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
+:As usual. One can not understand everything immediately. I think, the description is very helpful, at least it helped me a lot. Without it one is completely lost. No practice, no sense, at least for me. Is pos always "1" and side always "tl"? if yes, what is their purpose? [[User:Muki987|Muki987]] 09:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC)