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Memduh: /* Past Patterns and Implicit Objects */

2016-10-01T12:40:13Z

Past Patterns and Implicit Objects

Memduh at 12:12, 1 October 2016

2016-10-01T12:12:33Z

Memduh at 12:03, 1 October 2016

2016-10-01T12:03:38Z

Memduh: /* Ergativity and Pronouns */

2016-09-24T00:16:46Z

Ergativity and Pronouns

Memduh: /* Ergativity and Pronouns */

2016-09-24T00:12:43Z

Ergativity and Pronouns

Memduh: /* Ergativity and Pronouns */

2016-09-24T00:10:49Z

Ergativity and Pronouns

Memduh: Created page with "The particular details of Sorani verbs would probably not fit on a general-purpose analyzer/translation page. ==Copulae== Present positive copulae are ''split'', matching the..."

2016-09-24T00:01:24Z

Created page with "The particular details of Sorani verbs would probably not fit on a general-purpose analyzer/translation page. ==Copulae== Present positive copulae are ''split'', matching the..."

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The particular details of Sorani verbs would probably not fit on a general-purpose analyzer/translation page.
==Copulae==
Present positive copulae are ''split'', matching the negative ones.
==Ergativity and Pronouns==

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 | Apple + I + eat.PAST.3-SG
 |}
-This notation is particularly convenient because it matches the idea of ergativity.
+This notation is particularly convenient because it matches the idea of ergativity. Light and compound verbs are not as clear with regards to how they should be segmented, for now they will be done similarly to the verbs shown above.
+{| class="wikitable"
+|-
+! English
+! Sorani
+! Partition
+! Partition Gloss
+|-
+| I called him
+| bang'''im''' kird
+| min + bang kirdin.PAST.3-SG
+| I + see.PAST.3-SG
+|-
+| I called my friend
+| ''rafikakam'''''im''' bang kird
+| rafik.DEF.SG.POSS-1SG + min + bang kirdin.PAST.3-SG
+| friend + I + call.PAST.3-SG
+|-
+|}
+If the text or speaker is somewhat creative with the nominal part of the LVC, then it will probably be analyzed as a separate nominal analytically with the non-LVC version of the verb.

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 Since we don't want to put syntax in analysis, the clitics could simply be output in order, and transfer rules written accordingly.
-==Patterns and Implicit Objects==
+==Present Patterns,
+==Past Patterns and Implicit Objects==
 It would be the best to have the same pattern output regardless of clitic, for the sake of transfer. The third person singular as object is implied when there is no pronominal clitic or other nominal as an object, as shown in the first examples of the table. Agents are marked in bold, patients in italic.
 {| class="wikitable"
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 | min + dîtin.NEG.PAST.3-SG
 | I + see.NEG.PAST.3-SG
+|-
+| I ate the apple
+| Sêvaka'''m''' khward
+| Sêv + min<clt> + khwardin.PAST.3-SG
+| Apple + I + eat.PAST.3-SG
 |}
 This notation is particularly convenient because it matches the idea of ergativity.

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 Since we don't want to put syntax in analysis, the clitics could simply be output in order, and transfer rules written accordingly.
+==Patterns and Implicit Objects==
+It would be the best to have the same pattern output regardless of clitic, for the sake of transfer. The third person singular as object is implied when there is no pronominal clitic or other nominal as an object, as shown in the first examples of the table. Agents are marked in bold, patients in italic.
+{| class="wikitable"
+|-
+! English
+! Sorani
+! Partition
+! Partition Gloss
+|-
+| I saw him
+| dîti'''m'''
+| min + dîtin.PAST.3-SG
+| I + see.PAST.3-SG
+|-
+| I didn't see him
+| na'''m'''dît
+| min + dîtin.NEG.PAST.3-SG
+| I + see.NEG.PAST.3-SG
+|}
+This notation is particularly convenient because it matches the idea of ergativity.

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	Past: AGENT-verb-PATIENT or verb-AGENT-PATIENT (if there is nothing for the agent to attach to before the verb root, e.g. a negative prefix, '''na'''-''m''-khward-''it''		Past: AGENT-verb-PATIENT or verb-AGENT-PATIENT (if there is nothing for the agent to attach to before the verb root, e.g. a negative prefix, '''na'''-''m''-khward-''it''

			Since we don't want to put syntax in analysis, the clitics could simply be output in order, and transfer rules written accordingly.

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 ==Ergativity and Pronouns==
 Present: (prefix or first part of compound)-PATIENT-verb-AGREEMENT, e.g. ''di''-'''t'''-bîn-''im''
+ditbînim will translate to "I see you" or "I am seeing you." The verb can be analyzed as tu<clt> + dîtin<pri><p1><sg>
 Past: AGENT-verb-PATIENT or verb-AGENT-PATIENT (if there is nothing for the agent to attach to before the verb root, e.g. a negative prefix, '''na'''-''m''-khward-''it''