Sorani - Revision history

Firespeaker at 19:23, 27 August 2017

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Pronominal Clitics and Adpositions

2016-09-21T19:12:39Z

Grammar and Paradigms

2016-09-21T18:46:42Z

Grammar and Paradigms

2016-09-20T22:12:41Z

Loose and Close Ezafets

2016-09-20T20:57:03Z

Pronominal Clitics and Adpositions

2016-09-20T20:25:35Z

Grammar and Paradigms

2016-09-20T19:13:03Z

Pronominal Clitics and Adpositions

2016-09-20T15:53:10Z

Emphatic and Pronominal Clitics

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	Similarly variants with the 87d9 character with the ZWNJs replaced by spaces could also be generated, as these are very frequently encountered in Sorani typed on cell phones.		Similarly variants with the 87d9 character with the ZWNJs replaced by spaces could also be generated, as these are very frequently encountered in Sorani typed on cell phones.

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 Details on building a Sorani transducer and related language pairs
+[[Sorani/Verbs | Verbs]]
 ==Grammar and Paradigms==

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 This seems to occur frequently with light verbs too, we will probably need an intermediary paradigm to add the pronominal clitics for things like ''pirsiyarakam daka''.
+While this occurs with ''proper'' light verbs, it does not seem to happen with compounds such as rawastaan. These take only modal prefixes before the verb proper e.g. ra''da''wastam.
 ===Existential Copulae and Possessor Agreement===
 This could make for a number of good transfer rules. ''Para'''t''' haya'' -> You have money. The pattern would be like nominal<p1xsg> + vbhaver, resulting in prnpers<p1sg> + have + nominal.

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 This seems to occur frequently with light verbs too, we will probably need an intermediary paradigm to add the pronominal clitics for things like ''pirsiyarakam daka''.
+===Existential Copulae and Possessor Agreement===
+This could make for a number of good transfer rules. ''Para'''t''' haya'' -> You have money. The pattern would be like nominal<p1xsg> + vbhaver, resulting in prnpers<p1sg> + have + nominal.
 ===Dialect Variation===
 In cases such as هاتن (''hatin'', to come), how will we decide which variant to output? Can a speaker from Sulaymaniyah understand the rest of Sorani speakers, and vice versa?

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 '''RESOLVED:''' Nominals will have possessor agreement like Turkish, while the clitics on adpositions will be segmented.
+What about situations where the pronominal clitic ''precedes'' the preposition, and is attached to the verb before?
+This seems to occur frequently with light verbs too, we will probably need an intermediary paradigm to add the pronominal clitics for things like ''pirsiyarakam daka''.
+===Dialect Variation===
+In cases such as هاتن (''hatin'', to come), how will we decide which variant to output? Can a speaker from Sulaymaniyah understand the rest of Sorani speakers, and vice versa?
 ===More Vocalic Endings===

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 ===Loose and Close Ezafets===
 There are two types of ezafets in noun phrases, it would be best to quickly decide what tags to use for each one. For the time being I have adopted <ezalos> and <ezaclo>. The vaguely romance look of them might fit the theme but might cause confusion later on.
+====Adjectives====
+Do we need to distinguish between the demonstrative of a loose or close ezafet? For now the distinction isn't used but can be added if needed in the future.
 ===Emphatic and Pronominal Clitics===
 The clitic -ish is emphatic, giving the meaning "too" or "even" to the substantive in question. Possession is marked by pronominal clitics at the very end. Pronominal clitics are segmented in UD Persian, this might be something to discuss in the UD issues. It seems most intuitive to leave the word as one unit, as neither of these types of clitics are meaningful when orthographically independent.

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 </pre>
 "My book" is clearly different from simply putting the words "book" and "I" after each other, but it remains to be decided how to mark this. A convenient solution might be to somehow mark the personal pronoun differently, maybe with a tag like <clt>, to differentiate it from the usual pronouns.
+===More Vocalic Endings===
+The only paradigm with a vowel ending the analyzer has as of now is for words ending with ە. There are probably other vowel endings that we need to adapt to, possibly ێ could have a different situation. ی should also be looked at in terms of how nominals ending with it are inflected.
 ==ZWNJ and ه ==

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 ====Pronominal Clitics and Adpositions====
-When a clitic is used with a pronominal clitic, we will definitely have to segment it. Most vocalic-ending prepositions seem to also change vowels when used with certain pronominal clitics.
+When a clitic is used with a pronominal clitic, we will definitely have to segment it. ✓
+Most vocalic-ending prepositions seem to also change vowels when used with certain pronominal clitics. ✓
+What will the proper tags for nominals with pronominal clitics be? It looks intuitive that they would be in a close ezafet, and this is what they would look like after segmentation, however information about absoluteness/definiteness is on the initial nominal, and not the pronoun.
+كتاوم, meaning "my book" is analyzed as the following:
+<pre>
+"<كتاوم>"
+	"كتاو" n sg abs
+		"من" prn pers p1 sg
+</pre>
+"My book" is clearly different from simply putting the words "book" and "I" after each other, but it remains to be decided how to mark this. A convenient solution might be to somehow mark the personal pronoun differently, maybe with a tag like <clt>, to differentiate it from the usual pronouns.
 ==ZWNJ and ه ==