PMC proposals/Apertium Workshop in Russia - Revision history

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Jimregan at 13:21, 15 December 2011

2011-12-15T13:21:34Z

Mlforcada at 12:18, 15 December 2011

2011-12-15T12:18:32Z

Mlforcada: Changing my vote

2011-12-15T12:18:04Z

Changing my vote

Hectoralos: /* Comments */

2011-12-13T19:36:49Z

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2011-12-13T18:52:10Z

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2011-12-13T18:15:06Z

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2011-12-13T13:36:48Z

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Francis Tyers: /* In detail */

2011-12-13T09:45:02Z

In detail

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2011-11-17T20:19:24Z

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 :Quantify and specify better the amount and the nature of support provided by the Chuvash State Institute of the Humanities
-::The Chuvash State Institute of the Humanities is a local prestigious centre, which can be useful if an unexpected difficult problem appears. This kind of support may be helpful in an extremely rigid and bureaucratic society as the Russian/Chuvash. In any case, our main supporters are in the Chuvash State University, where the course will be hold and to where studies one of the two project students. The Chuvash Philology Faculty is helping us a lot, and its Turkish Language teacher will also help us as a consultant. So will do the Turkish language specialist of the Chuvash State Institute of the Humanities. --[[User:Hectoralos|Hèctor Alòs i Font]] 18:15, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
+::The Chuvash State Institute of the Humanities is a local prestigious centre, which can be useful if an unexpected difficult problem appears. This kind of support may be helpful in an extremely rigid and bureaucratic society as the Russian/Chuvash. In any case, our main supporters are in the Chuvash State University, where the course will be hold and to where studies one of the two project students. The Chuvash Philology Faculty is helping us a lot, and its Turkish Language teacher will also help us as a consultant. So will do the Turkish language spec<!-- spam filter? -->ialist of the Chuvash State Institute of the Humanities. --[[User:Hectoralos|Hèctor Alòs i Font]] 18:15, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 :I miss a lesson on evaluation in table 1. Evaluation is important (deliverables D3, D5, D7)
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 # Juan Antonio Pérez ([[User:Japerez|japerez]])
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+[[Category:Project Management Committee]]

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+<div style="background-color: #eee0e6; margin: 4px; padding: 4px; border: 1px dotted black">
+'''Proposal passed.'''
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 # Felipe Sánchez Martínez ([[User:Fsanchez|fsanchez]])
 # Juan Antonio Pérez ([[User:Japerez|japerez]])
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 # --[[User:Jacob Nordfalk|Jacob Nordfalk]] 07:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 # [[User:Jimregan|Jimregan]]
-# [[User:Mlforcada|Mlforcada]] 16:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC) <s>(see conditions above)</s> Conditions have been satisfactorily met.
+# [[User:Mlforcada|Mlforcada]] 16:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC) <s>(see conditions above)</s> Conditions have been satisfactorily met. [[User:Mlforcada|Mlforcada]] 12:18, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 ===Disagree===

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 # --[[User:Jacob Nordfalk|Jacob Nordfalk]] 07:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 # [[User:Jimregan|Jimregan]]
-# [[User:Mlforcada|Mlforcada]] 16:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC) (see conditions above)
+# [[User:Mlforcada|Mlforcada]] 16:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC) <s>(see conditions above)</s> Conditions have been satisfactorily met.
 ===Disagree===

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 :Can you still make it in December 2011 or January 2012
+:: Yes. The course can be done 23-27 January in one of the computer technologies faculties of the Chuvash State University ( http://www.chuvsu.ru/~fak_diz/wp/ ). We have the planning and there is enough time to prepare and announce everything, but we should begin very soon.--[[User:Hectoralos|Hèctor Alòs i Font]] 19:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 :I would expect a bit more detail about how accomodation will be organised by the local organisers.

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 ::::: That's what I wanted to know, thanks guys. -- [[User:Jimregan|Jimregan]] 15:19, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
+::::::Unfortunately, the two students who were selected resigned because the process was quite longer than expected. So, we had to run a new selection process, which I explain. I contacted both Chuvash language faculties and reexplained them what we need. The Chuvash State University invited me to present the project to c. 30 students. In the Pedagogical University there are less students who study Turkish, and they preferred to speak with them. The result was that I interviewed individually 5 students from the State University and 4 of the Pedagogical University. After that, only 2 students from the State University (both of the first year) and 2 of the Pedagogical University (from the 4th and 5th year) put themselves forward as candidates. All of them were recommended by their teachers. In my opinion all four are good: one of the Pedagogical University is very good (see her CV in the new version of the  proposal), but the other has a problem of time, and I prefer not the select her (although I know her, and I know she's is fully reliable if she accepts a job). On the other side, both students of the State University don't have yet a big knowledge of Turkish, but showed a lot of interest and commitment. Between them I selected the one who had better language skills: she speaks perfectly Tatar, which helps her a lot for Turkish (and I hope she'll work further in the Chuvash-Tatar translator).--[[User:Hectoralos|Hèctor Alòs i Font]] 18:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 Mikel is in favour, with funding made available in installments following evaluation of deliverables. Comments to improve the final proposal for the vote:

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 :Quantify and specify better the amount and the nature of support provided by the Chuvash State Institute of the Humanities
+::The Chuvash State Institute of the Humanities is a local prestigious centre, which can be useful if an unexpected difficult problem appears. This kind of support may be helpful in an extremely rigid and bureaucratic society as the Russian/Chuvash. In any case, our main supporters are in the Chuvash State University, where the course will be hold and to where studies one of the two project students. The Chuvash Philology Faculty is helping us a lot, and its Turkish Language teacher will also help us as a consultant. So will do the Turkish language specialist of the Chuvash State Institute of the Humanities. --[[User:Hectoralos|Hèctor Alòs i Font]] 18:15, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 :I miss a lesson on evaluation in table 1. Evaluation is important (deliverables D3, D5, D7)
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 :If the cost of translation is aprox €5 per page and the slides contain 7,000 words and translation costs around €75, does this mean that a typical page is 467 words? That boils down to about €0.01 per word, which is an order of magnitude below usual rates. Are the figures OK?
+::The standard translation page in Russia has 1,800 characters (with blanks). I've been speaking with the people who will do the translation, and they confirm the figures and the quality of the translation. I know them and they are reliable: it wouldn't be the best translation in the world, but it will be correct and fully usable.--[[User:Hectoralos|Hèctor Alòs i Font]] 18:15, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 :Give a complete reference of the Çuvaş – Türkiye Sözlük. Is it [http://www.idefix.com/kitap/cuvas-turkcesi-turkiye-turkcesi-sozluk-bulent-bayram/tanim.asp?sid=TLP2YWMMIT7TWS3V840R this]?
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 :€350 is a bit expensive for a netbook; I recently bought a nice 10<nowiki>''</nowiki> HP Mini for €239.
+::Prices here are a bit more expensive and variety, lesser. Seeing what's available, we think the best solution is to afford notebooks and resell them after one year. In this case, probably a bit less than €350 could be done, but if the maintain the figure, we'll be able to give a favourable price to our students, as a kind of premium. Please, take into consideration that this may be a strange part of the budget, but this is in fact because the budget is half-Russian: Occidental students would have their own computers and Internet connections, but wouldn't receive 80€/month grant. You may look at the figures and consider that the students will receive a 120€/month grant.--[[User:Hectoralos|Hèctor Alòs i Font]] 18:15, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 :Where will the €10-a-month internet connections be installed exactly?
+::This is the current cost here of a USB-modem suitable of a notebook - --[[User:Hectoralos|Hèctor Alòs i Font]] 18:15, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 :It would be nice to break the total funding in installments. In particular, as some money should be available before the tasks, a payment schedule would be a must.

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 ==In detail==
-The detailed proposal can be found in the following [http://ilazki.thinkgeek.co.uk/~spectre/proposta-apertium.pdf PDF document] (updated 20:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)). A letter of support from the Chuvash State Humanities Institute can be found [http://ilazki.thinkgeek.co.uk/~spectre/letter_chuv_inst.jpg here].
+The detailed proposal can be found in the following [http://ilazki.thinkgeek.co.uk/~spectre/proposta-apertium.pdf PDF document] (updated 09:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)). A letter of support from the Chuvash State Humanities Institute can be found [http://ilazki.thinkgeek.co.uk/~spectre/letter_chuv_inst.jpg here].
 ==Caveats==