Kazakh and Tatar/Diary - Revision history

Ilnar.salimzyan: /* Thursday, 19 July */

2012-07-19T21:50:06Z

Thursday, 19 July

Ilnar.salimzyan at 21:49, 19 July 2012

2012-07-19T21:49:42Z

Ilnar.salimzyan at 19:01, 14 July 2012

2012-07-14T19:01:53Z

Ilnar.salimzyan: /* TODO */

2012-07-13T13:58:14Z

TODO

Ilnar.salimzyan at 13:34, 13 July 2012

2012-07-13T13:34:24Z

Ilnar.salimzyan: /* Wednesday, 6th June 2012 */

2012-06-06T22:38:39Z

Wednesday, 6th June 2012

Ilnar.salimzyan at 22:34, 6 June 2012

2012-06-06T22:34:21Z

Ilnar.salimzyan at 01:30, 6 June 2012

2012-06-06T01:30:38Z

Ilnar.salimzyan: /* Tuesday, 31st May 2012 - Sunday, 3rd June 2012 */

2012-06-05T19:52:20Z

Tuesday, 31st May 2012 - Sunday, 3rd June 2012

Ilnar.salimzyan at 19:24, 5 June 2012

2012-06-05T19:24:56Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:50, 19 July 2012
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	Fixed some minor issues, recompiled and checked wheter it has helped while running commands above again.		Fixed some minor issues, recompiled and checked wheter it has helped while running commands above again.

	Remaning #-errors of pronouns are because there is no personal copula suffixes in tat.lexc yet.		Remaning #-errors of pronouns are because there are no personal copula suffixes in tat.lexc yet.

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 Was translating pending nouns of kaz.lexc, will add them tomorrow.
+== Thursday, 19 July ==
+The last days was addding more stems, today finally tried to testvoc pronouns. Commands given [[../Testvoc|here]] work fine, except <code>hfst-fst2strings</code> output lots of zeros and nothing else (it might be only on my computer though). In order to make it work, I had to comment out everything except pronouns in ''Root Lexicon''. I got 3934 lines for personal pronouns and aroud 56 000 lines for all pronouns, so it seems to be alright.
+Then I uncommented everything in Root lexicon back, compiled and typed this:
+<pre>
+cat /tmp/pronouns.exp  | cut -f2 -d':' | sed 's/^/^/g' | sed 's/$/$/g' | apertium-pretransfer | lt-proc -b kaz-tat.autobil.bin | apertium-transfer -b apertium-kaz-tat.kaz-tat.t1x kaz-tat.t1x.bin | apertium-transfer -n apertium-kaz-tat.kaz-tat.t2x kaz-tat.t2x.bin > /tmp/pronouns.kaz-tat.exp
+</pre>
+<pre>
+cat /tmp/pronouns.kaz-tat.exp | hfst-proc -d  kaz-tat.autogen.hfst > /tmp/pronouns.tat.exp
+</pre>
+Fixed some minor issues, recompiled and checked wheter it has helped while running commands above again.
+Remaning #-errors of pronouns are because there is no personal copula suffixes in tat.lexc yet.

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 # in kaz-tat.t1x, take care of instrumental case of all substantivized things (add them to category "nom" or add a separate category for them);
 # testvoc pronouns<ref>On my stand-alone PC (which is much more powerful than my old laptop) - I am installing Xubuntu there right now</ref> and grep for errors.
+== Saturday, 14th July 2012 ==
+Was translating pending nouns of kaz.lexc, will add them tomorrow.

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 === TODO ===
-# fix #-errors in the kaz.crp.txt translation;
+# fix @ and # errors in the kaz.crp.txt translation;
 # revise TODO's here in the wiki, put everything in a single place (General Todo);
 # put all regression tests in one page;

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 Tomorrow the right part of entries will hopefully land in <code>tat.lexc</code> (sort them with <code>apertium-dixtools sort -right</code> and then export with some sed one-liners).
+== Friday, 13th July 2012 ==
+=== TODO ===
+# fix #-errors in the kaz.crp.txt translation;
+# revise TODO's here in the wiki, put everything in a single place (General Todo);
+# put all regression tests in one page;
+# write a rule for sequence [{prn.pers,prn.dem} + post_governing_nom/gen];
+# in kaz-tat.t1x, take care of instrumental case of all substantivized things (add them to category "nom" or add a separate category for them);
+# testvoc pronouns<ref>On my stand-alone PC (which is much more powerful than my old laptop) - I am installing Xubuntu there right now</ref> and grep for errors.

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 == Wednesday, 6th June 2012 ==
-Checked adverbs (not all yet) in kaz.lexc for miscategorizations (some "adjective-adverbs" landed there), translated them and added into bilingual dictionary.
+Checked adverbs (not all yet) in <code>kaz.lexc</code> for miscategorizations (some "adjective-adverbs" landed there), translated them and added into bilingual dictionary.
 Tomorrow the right part of entries will hopefully land in <code>tat.lexc</code> (sort them with <code>apertium-dixtools sort -right</code> and then export with some sed one-liners).

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 I haven't written here for a couple of days because I wanted to finish working on POS's I had to finish according to the workplan and only after that happily announce about it. But what I learned from it is to try to keep track of changes as they occur, because going back even just for a few days takes more time than to sum up what you have been doing in a few shorter sentences immediately after the "working hours".
+=== Postpositions (cont.)===
+Translated Tatar postpositions and categorized them according the cases they require. Rule(s) to handle the case-governance differences still to be written.
+=== Coverage ===
+Now I have a script to measure the trimmed coverage (thanks Unhammer!; see <code>dev/trimmed-coverage.sh)</code>. Added some of the top unrecognized words. Translated country names from kaz.lexc (they were easy to translate and I thought that they could increase the coverage significantly, because the testing corpora are either news or WP).
+Good idea is to retrieve translations for stuff like toponyms from [[Building dictionaries#Getting cheap bilingual dictionary entries|interwiki links]].
 == Monday, 4th June 2012 ==
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 Grammars I have also write about conjunctive use of interrogative - demonstrative pronoun pairs (calling them "союзные слова"). E.g.: ''"Кем эшләми, шул ашамый".'' But I think that adding all these pronouns once more as correlative conjunctions wouldn't make any sense for Kazah-Tatar pair (or any other Turkic pair).
+== Tuesday, 5th June 2012 ==
+Not much of coding, played around with some scripts: installed apertium-dixtools, tried iw-word.sh. Added some pending translations into the head-files.

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 Tomorrow I am going to translate this additional Tatar ones (to boost up the coverage - they seem to be quite frequent!) and work on transfer rules if they are needed.
-== Tuesday, 31st May 2012 - Sunday, 3rd June 2012 ==
+== Thursday, 31st May 2012 - Sunday, 3rd June 2012 ==
 Let's review what has been happening to apertium-kaz-tat in the last few days (with every new day it is getting harder to remember about changes).

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 Tomorrow I am going to translate this additional Tatar ones (to boost up the coverage - they seem to be quite frequent!) and work on transfer rules if they are needed.
+== Tuesday, 31st May 2012 - Sunday, 3rd June 2012 ==
+Let's review what has been happening to apertium-kaz-tat in the last few days (with every new day it is getting harder to remember about changes).
+I haven't written here for a couple of days because I wanted to finish working on POS's I had to finish according to the workplan and only after that happily announce about it. But what I learned from it is to try to keep track of changes as they occur, because going back even just for a few days takes more time than to sum up what you have been doing in a few shorter sentences immediately after the "working hours".
+== Monday, 4th June 2012 ==
+=== Conjunctions ===
+Translated what already was in lexc's, added some more. Wasn't sure about ones in <code>dev/bidix/conjunctions.todo.txt</code>, gonna go back to them later (they are rather archaic).
+There was a question about how I should classify conjunctions (co-ordinating, sub-ordinating or adverbial). The first two are distinguished by all grammars I have, so I mostly just followed them while adding stems into CCLEX and CSLEX.
+I might have misunderstood "adverbial conjunctions" [although I think I haven't :)]. In this lexicon landed words, which aren't pure conjunctions, but are derived from other parts of speech (<prn>, <prn>+<post>, <det><n> etc). They connect two sentences, but also appear as a part of one of them (in contrast to co-ordinating and sub-ordinating conjunctions, which are autonomous) and substitute semantically the other sentence <s>and can appear in the middle of the sentece (separated by comma)</s>.
+If I understood it correctly, adverbial conjunctions are what Tatar grammars call "мөнәсәбәтле сүзләр = относительные слова" (see pp. 341-351 of Volume 2 of the Academical Grammar).
+Also into this lexicon I plan to add all other so called "transition words" (e.g. "беренчедән" = "firstly" etc.).
+Grammars I have also write about conjunctive use of interrogative - demonstrative pronoun pairs (calling them "союзные слова"). E.g.: ''"Кем эшләми, шул ашамый".'' But I think that adding all these pronouns once more as correlative conjunctions wouldn't make any sense for Kazah-Tatar pair (or any other Turkic pair).