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TommiPirinen: /* Numeral fix */

2021-06-25T18:05:01Z

Numeral fix

TommiPirinen at 10:29, 8 March 2021

2021-03-08T10:29:48Z

TommiPirinen: /* Grammar stuff */

2021-02-20T07:13:37Z

Grammar stuff

TommiPirinen: /* Adposition to case suffix */

2021-02-17T05:13:45Z

Adposition to case suffix

TommiPirinen at 12:21, 16 February 2021

2021-02-16T12:21:50Z

TommiPirinen at 11:54, 16 February 2021

2021-02-16T11:54:47Z

TommiPirinen at 17:23, 20 February 2017

2017-02-20T17:23:21Z

TommiPirinen: /* See also */ githubs

2017-02-20T17:21:22Z

Trondtr: /* Language pairs in the nursery */

2015-12-23T10:41:34Z

Language pairs in the nursery

Trondtr: /* Language pairs in the incubator */

2013-11-27T08:01:30Z

Language pairs in the incubator

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 === Numeral fix ===
-People working on morpholocally poor language falsely assume that you should use <pre>sg/pl</pre> distinction in numerals with assigning the word "one" to singular always and any other words to plural. As we know though, the plural singular distinction is morphological and not lexical, and it can be used in all numbers, so we need to fix this in most non-uralic–Finnish pairs like so:
+People working on morphologically poor language falsely assume that you should use <code>sg/pl</code> distinction in numerals as a sort of agreement feature, i.e. assigning the word "one" to singular always and any other words to plural. Naturally in Finnish numerals have singular plural distinction like any other nominal: one beer is one.num.sg beer.n.sg and two beers is, well two.num.sg beer.n.sg.par (cause plurality in such numeral phrase is expressed with singular partitive cause why not), but then again two.num.pl beers.n.pl is two rounds of beers for you and at least one friend, and also one.num.pl beer.n.pl is one round of beers (but it's never one, but that's a different story).
+<pre>
+    <def-macro n="number-mangler" npar="1">
+      <choose>
+        <!-- nunber mappigngs -->
+        <when>
+          <test>
+            <equal><clip pos="1" side="sl" part="a_number"/><lit-tag v="sg"/></equal>
+          </test>
+          <let>
+            <var n="number"/>
+            <lit-tag v="sg"/>
+          </let>
+        </when>
+        <when>
+          <test>
+            <equal><clip pos="1" side="sl" part="a_number"/><lit-tag v="pl"/></equal>
+          </test>
+          <let>
+            <var n="number"/>
+            <lit-tag v="sg"/>
+          </let>
+        </when>
+        <when>
+          <test>
+            <equal><clip pos="1" side="sl" part="a_number"/><lit-tag v="sp"/></equal>
+          </test>
+          <let>
+            <var n="number"/>
+            <lit-tag v="sg"/>
+          </let>
+        </when>
+        <!-- otherwise, sg -->
+        <otherwise>
+          <let>
+            <clip pos="1" side="tl" part="a_number"/><lit-tag v="sg"/>
+          </let>
+          <let>
+            <var n="number"/><lit-tag v="sg"/>
+          </let>
+        </otherwise>
+      </choose>
+    </def-macro>
+</pre>
 === Negations ===

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 Common formulas:
+=== Numeral fix ===
+People working on morpholocally poor language falsely assume that you should use <pre>sg/pl</pre> distinction in numerals with assigning the word "one" to singular always and any other words to plural. As we know though, the plural singular distinction is morphological and not lexical, and it can be used in all numbers, so we need to fix this in most non-uralic–Finnish pairs like so:
 === Negations ===
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 Finnish uses negation verb which needs to be translated from many languages from negation and verb together.
-=== Possession structure
+=== Possession structure ===
 Finnish does not have idiomatic verb for possession, if apertium language to translate from has vbhaver it can be translated to omistaa initially and re-organised into adessive of owner and copula on.

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 Common formulas:
+=== Negations ===
+Finnish uses negation verb which needs to be translated from many languages from negation and verb together.
+=== Possession structure
+Finnish does not have idiomatic verb for possession, if apertium language to translate from has vbhaver it can be translated to omistaa initially and re-organised into adessive of owner and copula on.
 === Adposition to case suffix ===

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 === Adposition to case suffix ===
+Finnish uses semantic cases for what many e.g. IE languages use adpositions:
+* houses -> talot
+* on houses -> taloissa
+* into houses -> taloihin
+etc.
 <pre>
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 </pre>
+The effective range of adposition to suffix mapping is a noun phrase:
+* (a) green colourless dream -> vihreä väritön uni
+* in (a) green colourless dream -> vihreässä värittömässä unessa
+but proper noun phrase is appositive:
+* for Donald Trump -> Donald Trumpille
+* for president Trump -> presidentti Trumpille
+in Nokia Finnish a reverse pattern is used (because computers cannot inflect variables a proxy word is inflected):
+* user -> käyttäjä
+* to user Joe -> käyttäjälle Joe
+* file -> tiedosto
+* into file thesis.doc -> tiedostoon thesis.doc
+it would not be incorrect to use proper inflection in these cases.
 ==See also==

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 == Grammar stuff ==
+Common formulas:
+=== Adposition to case suffix ===
+<pre>
+  <section-def-macros>
+    <def-macro n="adp-mangler" npar="1">
+      <choose>
+        <!-- adp to case mappigngs -->
+        <!-- based on adp lexeme only -->
+        <when>
+          <test>
+            <equal><clip pos="1" side="sl" part="lem"/><lit v="I"/></equal>
+          </test>
+          <let>
+            <var n="adpcase"/>
+            <lit-tag v="ine"/>
+          </let>
+          <let>
+            <var n="maybeadp"/>
+            <lit v=""/>
+          </let>
+        </when>
+        <when>
+          <test>
+            <equal><clip pos="1" side="sl" part="lem"/><lit v="i"/></equal>
+          </test>
+          <let>
+            <var n="adpcase"/>
+            <lit-tag v="ine"/>
+          </let>
+          <let>
+            <var n="maybeadp"/>
+            <lit v=""/>
+          </let>
+        </when>
+        <when>
+          <test>
+            <equal><clip pos="1" side="sl" part="lem"/><lit v="fra"/></equal>
+          </test>
+          <let>
+            <var n="adpcase"/>
+            <lit-tag v="ela"/>
+          </let>
+          <let>
+            <var n="maybeadp"/>
+            <lit v=""/>
+          </let>
+        </when>
+...
+...
+...
+    <rule comment="adp noun">
+      <pattern>
+        <pattern-item n="adp"/>
+        <pattern-item n="noun"/>
+      </pattern>
+      <action>
+        <call-macro n="adp-mangler">
+          <with-param pos="1"/>
+        </call-macro>
+        <out>
+          <chunk name="adpnoun" case="caseFirstWord">
+            <tags>
+              <tag><lit-tag v="NP"/></tag>
+              <tag><var n="adpcase"/></tag>
+            </tags>
+            <lu>
+              <clip pos="2" side="tl" part="lem"/>
+              <clip pos="2" side="tl" part="a_noun"/>
+              <clip pos="2" side="tl" part="a_number"/>
+              <var n="adpcase"/>
+            </lu>
+            <b pos="0"/>
+            <lu>
+              <var n="maybeadp"/>
+            </lu>
+          </chunk>
+        </out>
+      </action>
+    </rule>
+</pre>

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-[[apertium-fin]] is in [https://github.com/flammie/apertium-fin flammie’s github]
+* [[apertium-fin]] is a conversion from omorfi: [https://github.com/flammie/omorfi omorfi], large coverage, experimental
-[[giella-fin]] is in [https://giellatekno.uit.no giellatekno repository]
+* [[giella-fin]] is in [https://github.com/giellalt/lang-fin giellatekno repository], more stable
+== Grammar stuff ==
 ==See also==
+=== Languages in github ===
+* [[Finnish]]
-=== Language pairs in the nursery ===
+=== Language pairs in github ===
 * [[North Saami and Finnish]]
+* [[Finnish and English]]
+* [[Finnish and German]]
-=== Language pairs in the incubator ===
+* [[Olonetsian and Finnish]]
 * [[Finnish and Hungarian]]
 * [[Basque and Finnish]]
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 * [[Hill Mari and Finnish]]
 * [[Erzya Mordvin and Finnish]]
-=== Languages in github ===
-* [[Finnish]]
-=== Language pairs in github ===
-* [[Finnish and English]]
-* [[Finnish and German]]
-* [[Olonetsian and Finnish]]

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