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Objectivesea: Made a few suggestions for indicating increased emphasis in English equivalents; these should be checked by a person fluent in Bengali and English

2011-12-23T00:11:03Z

Made a few suggestions for indicating increased emphasis in English equivalents; these should be checked by a person fluent in Bengali and English

Darthxaher: /* Verb */

2009-07-21T08:05:47Z

Verb

Darthxaher: /* ও (O) */

2009-07-10T17:41:18Z

ও (O)

Darthxaher: /* ই (I) */

2009-07-10T17:40:28Z

ই (I)

Darthxaher: /* Enclitic/Proclitic */

2009-07-09T14:59:02Z

Enclitic/Proclitic

Darthxaher: /* Enclitic/Proclitic */

2009-07-09T14:38:19Z

Enclitic/Proclitic

Darthxaher: /* Enclitic/Proclitic */

2009-07-09T14:31:25Z

Enclitic/Proclitic

Darthxaher: /* Enclitic/Proclitic */

2009-07-09T14:28:57Z

Enclitic/Proclitic

Darthxaher: /* Number */

2009-07-08T13:05:41Z

Number

Darthxaher: /* Number */

2009-07-08T12:57:58Z

Number

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 # <s>We are excluding Proper nouns now</s>
 # We are excluding adjectives that can be used as nouns, right now
-# We are keeping track the plural form generation through animacy, this is good, but in the long run need to come up with something more sophisticated
+# We are keeping track of the plural form generation through animacy; this is good, but in the long run we need to come up with something more sophisticated
-# Some nouns can have hybrid animacy, need to tag those later
+# Some nouns can have hybrid animacy; need to tag those later
 # Should we tag the subtype of Noun?
 === Number ===
-# মা - মারা , জনক - জনকরা - These are wrong, need to add rule to fix that, either mark them as irregular and entry in a separate table or just find the adequate rule for them, right is মা - মায়েরা, জনক - জনকেরা
+# মা - মারা , জনক - জনকরা - These are wrong; need to add rule to fix that. Either mark them as irregular and entry in a separate table or just find the adequate rule for them; right is মা - মায়েরা, জনক - জনকেরা
-#There is still some confusion on how to treat definite articles. In case of definite article, a, an is translated as একটা/একটি. Now for definite article the, number needs to be taken into account. For singular number, we add টা/টি. e.g. বই - বইটা, মানুষ - মানুষটা. But this is only used if the noun has a low animacy. We can safely say, বইটা (The book), বিড়ালটা (The cat), মানুষটা (The man), পাগলটা (The mad man), But we cannot say, রাষ্ট্রপতিটা - (gloss, the president), apparently, the affix is dropped as the animacy gets higher, so রাষ্ট্রপতি can mean 'both president' and 'the president'. For plural number, things are somewhat similar, adding গুলা/গুলি/গুলো at the end of a noun makes it plural and also has an implicit 'the'. So, বইগুলো - The books, বিড়ালগুলো - The cats, মানুষগুলো - The men. But we cannot say সন্যাসীগুলো - (gloss, the saints). For higher animacy plurality, রা or গণ is generally used, but these affixes express indefiniteness. For eg, সন্যাসীরা/সন্যসীগণ means 'saints', NOT 'the saints'. This issue needs to be resolved.
+#There is still some confusion on how to treat definite articles. In the case of the indefinite article, '''a, an''' is translated as একটা/একটি. Now, for the definite article ''the'', number needs to be taken into account. For singular number, we add টা/টি. e.g. বই - বইটা, মানুষ - মানুষটা. But this is only used if the noun has a low animacy. We can safely say, বইটা (The book), বিড়ালটা (The cat), মানুষটা (The man), পাগলটা (The mad man). But we cannot say, রাষ্ট্রপতিটা - (gloss, the president); apparently, the affix is dropped as the animacy gets higher, so রাষ্ট্রপতি can mean 'both president' and 'the president'. For plural number, things are somewhat similar, adding গুলা/গুলি/গুলো at the end of a noun makes it plural and also has an implicit 'the'. So, বইগুলো - The books, বিড়ালগুলো - The cats, মানুষগুলো - The men. But we cannot say সন্যাসীগুলো - (gloss, the saints). For higher animacy plurality, রা or গণ is generally used, but these affixes express indefiniteness. For example, সন্যাসীরা/সন্যসীগণ means 'saints', NOT 'the saints'. This issue needs to be resolved.
 == Pronouns ==
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 == Adverb ==
-* We are marking all the adverbs as <adv> and have not marked <cnjadv> properly, this needs to be changed ASAP
+* We are marking all the adverbs as <adv> and have not marked <cnjadv> properly; this needs to be changed ASAP
 == Determiner ==
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 === ও (O)===
-* ও (0): e.g. করে - করেও, পড়ে - পড়েও, when added to past participles, it adds the meaning of 'Inspite of'
+* ও (0): e.g. করে - করেও, পড়ে - পড়েও, when added to past participles, adds the meaning of 'Despite' or 'In spite of'
-:* সে '''পড়ে''' পাস করতে পারল না - He could not pass by studying. সে '''পড়েও''' পাস করতে পারল না - He could not pass in-spite of studying.
+:* সে '''পড়ে''' পাস করতে পারল না - He could not pass by studying. সে '''পড়েও''' পাস করতে পারল না - He could not pass, despite studying.
-* ও (0): The same enclitic as above, when added to nouns and pronouns, it bears the sense of 'also'/'too'
+* ও (0): The same enclitic as above, when added to nouns and pronouns, bears the sense of 'also'/'too'
 :* বাড়িটা - বাড়িটাও -> সে বাড়িটাও বিক্রি করে দিল - He sold the house too.
-:* আমি - আমিও -> সবার সাথে আমিও সেখানে গেলাম - I too, along with others went there (Spectie, is the eng translation grammatically correct?)
+:* আমি - আমিও -> সবার সাথে আমিও সেখানে গেলাম - I, too, went there '''or''' I, along with others, went there.
-* ও has the same effect on adjective, adverb and verbs
+* ও has the same effect on adjectives, adverbs and verbs
 :* Verb - সে কাজ করে এবং খায়ও খুব - He works and also eats a lot.
-:* Adjective - সে সুন্দরী এবং বুদ্ধিমতিও - She is pretty and also intelligent.
+:* Adjective - সে সুন্দরী এবং বুদ্ধিমতিও - She is pretty and intelligent as well.
 :* Adverb - তুমি এভাবেও কাজটি করতে পার - You can also do the work in this way.
-* ও, When added after Gerund, it has the meaning of 'Even' (adverb)
+* ও, When added after a gerund, it has the meaning of 'even' (adverb)
 :* সে পড়ারও সময় পেল না - He did not even get the time to read.
 === ই (I) ===
-* When added after verb, it acts as an emphasizer. e.g করব - করবই. আমি কাজটি করব - I shall do the work, আমি কাজটি করবই - I will do the work/ I shall surely do the work, same is for infinitive - করে - করেই e.g. আমি কাজটি করতে গেলাম - I went to do the work, আমি কাজটি করতেই গেলাম - I went only to do the work.
+* When added after a verb, it acts as an emphasizer. e.g করব - করবই. আমি কাজটি করব - I shall do the work, আমি কাজটি করবই - I will do the work/ I shall surely do the work, same is for infinitive - করে - করেই e.g. আমি কাজটি করতে গেলাম - I went to do the work, আমি কাজটি করতেই গেলাম - I went only to do the work.
-* Adding after gerund is somewhat cosmetic, nevertheless it adds emphasis, ওখানে যাওয়াটাই ভুল ছিল - (emph) Going there was a mistake [Can anyone suggest a better translation? :(]
+* Adding after gerund is somewhat cosmetic, nevertheless it adds emphasis, ওখানে যাওয়াটাই ভুল ছিল - (emph) Going there was a mistake [Can anyone suggest a better translation? :(]<br>: How about this? --> Geing there was indeed a mistake.
-* ই, added after nouns or pronouns, similarly adds emphasis. রহিমই দোষী - (emph) Rahim is guilty.
+* ই, added after nouns or pronouns, similarly adds emphasis. রহিমই দোষী - (emph) Rahim is guilty.<br>: How about this? --> Rahim is indeed guilty.
 == Misc ==
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 * The word 'কাছ':
 : সে আমার কাছে আসল - He came to me/ He came near me (Anubadok translates 'He came to me' - সে আমাকেতে আসেছিল, which is wrong ...)
-: সে আমার কাছের লোক - He is a close person of mine (The translation is still incorrect, I don't know the exact translation ...)
+: সে আমার কাছের লোক - He is a close person of mine (The translation is still incorrect, I don't know the exact translation ...)<br>: How about this? --> He is a person close to me.
 : সে আমার কাছ থেকে বইটা নিল - He took the book from me.
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 : সে অল্পে খুশি (রয়েছে) - He is satisfied with less.
 : আমি অল্প খাই - I eat less
-: আমি অল্পের জন্য কাজটা করতে পারলাম না - I could not do the work for (less, or something) [its tough doing word for word translation :(]
+: আমি অল্পের জন্য কাজটা করতে পারলাম না - I could not do the work for (less, or something) [it's tough doing word for word translation :(]

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 * The gerund form of the verb can be used as nouns, so we need to add these gerunds into noun table, and mark them as inanimate.
+* Some verbs have alternate spelling that is equally acceptable, for eg. দেই - দিই for the verb দি - দে, apparently both forms are acceptable, so for the analyzing part, we'll need to be able to analyze both, Some more example would be উলটা - ওলটা, ঝুলা - ঝোলা, গুছা - গোছা। Right now will focus on only one of the forms
 == Adverb ==

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 === ও (O)===
-* ও (0): e.g. করে - করেও, পড়ে - পড়েও, when added to infinitives, it adds the meaning of 'Inspite of'
+* ও (0): e.g. করে - করেও, পড়ে - পড়েও, when added to past participles, it adds the meaning of 'Inspite of'
 :* সে '''পড়ে''' পাস করতে পারল না - He could not pass by studying. সে '''পড়েও''' পাস করতে পারল না - He could not pass in-spite of studying.
 * ও (0): The same enclitic as above, when added to nouns and pronouns, it bears the sense of 'also'/'too'

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 === ই (I) ===
-* When added after infinitive, it acts as an emphasizer. e.g করব - করবই. আমি কাজটি করব - I shall do the work, আমি কাজটি করবই - I will do the work/ I shall surely do the work
+* When added after verb, it acts as an emphasizer. e.g করব - করবই. আমি কাজটি করব - I shall do the work, আমি কাজটি করবই - I will do the work/ I shall surely do the work, same is for infinitive - করে - করেই e.g. আমি কাজটি করতে গেলাম - I went to do the work, আমি কাজটি করতেই গেলাম - I went only to do the work.
 * Adding after gerund is somewhat cosmetic, nevertheless it adds emphasis, ওখানে যাওয়াটাই ভুল ছিল - (emph) Going there was a mistake [Can anyone suggest a better translation? :(]
 * ই, added after nouns or pronouns, similarly adds emphasis. রহিমই দোষী - (emph) Rahim is guilty.

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 === ই (I) ===
 * When added after infinitive, it acts as an emphasizer. e.g করব - করবই. আমি কাজটি করব - I shall do the work, আমি কাজটি করবই - I will do the work/ I shall surely do the work
+* Adding after gerund is somewhat cosmetic, nevertheless it adds emphasis, ওখানে যাওয়াটাই ভুল ছিল - (emph) Going there was a mistake [Can anyone suggest a better translation? :(]
+* ই, added after nouns or pronouns, similarly adds emphasis. রহিমই দোষী - (emph) Rahim is guilty.
 == Misc ==